While doing some research for another person I came across the term Melungeon, and the claim that Abraham Lincoln was a Melungeon. I went to the net and looked around and the term Melungeon. It appears to refer to darker folks who lived in Kentucky and Appalachia and whose distant ancestry is obscure. There may be thousands of Melungions living today and very proud of their ancestry, though even they can not agree on just where it does trace back to. I wonder if Abraham Lincoln would be a melungeon on that mysterious Hanks line which has never yet really been unraveled?

Perhaps the following is well known, but it is news to me. In Lincoln's state legislature days there was a low quality cigar called "long nine." Several contemporary references are quoted in the tobacco chapter of Marc McCutcheon, The Writer's Guide to Everyday Life in the 1800s (Cincinnati: Writer's Digest Books 1993, p. 182). No doubt the Sangamon County delegation was composed of tall gentlemen, but I suspect that the appellation “Long Nine" given to them was also connected to the cigar, perhaps a way of ridiculing the delegation's members but a name which they gloried in. Or maybe it was used affectionately. Anyway, persons of Lincoln's time would have seen the term's connection to a cheap cigar. Just as if a group of thin Virginia legislators today were called the Virginia Slims.

This story from "The Prairie President". I don't recall reading this before, so it may not be a true story.

One instance of Lincoln's drollery is on record in connection
with the Alton debate. Douglas had the opening speech there
and according to Horace White, the reporter
for the Chicago Press and Tribune, Lincoln was occupying
a seat in the rear of the platform. His next neighbor was
a young lady with whom he had been engaged in conversation
before the debate began. When Douglas had finished
his opening speech, Lincoln rose and handed his
travel-stained linen duster to the young lady and said in
a low tone: "Now hold my coat while I stone Stephen."

(For those of you who may have missed the joke, it is a reference to an event in the Bible as told in Acts 7: 54-58, the stoning of Stephen.

I am just wondering if any of you have seen any published articles or op ed pieces comparing this election to the 1860 one.

Do you think if the Democrats had fielded only one candidate instead of 2 (or some argue 3) they would have taken the White House that year?

Found a great article about the curret status of the Lincoln-Herndon law offices. Read the artcle here.

Rick Brown
HistoryReference.org
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I am looking at the Jefferson-Lemen Compact.

Here what it was claimed to be, its validity is disputed keep in mind.

James Lemen 1760-1823 was a Virginia preacher who was anti slavery.
Supposedly he was a friend of Thomas Jefferson, and supposedly Jefferson asked Lemen to move west into Illinois/Indiana territory and to work with his church and influences to render Illinois eventually a non-slave State. The Rev James Lemen and several families did move out to Illinois, and they were strong anti-slavery lobbyists, and Illinois eventually became nonslave.

Later, supposedly as Lincoln was forming his politics and opinions growing
up in Illinois, Lincoln came to know the Lemen history of antislavery
agitation within their church and Illinois politics. There is a (bogus or real?) letter which Lincoln sent and in which he commends members of the Lemen family for their work. The Lemen family then (and now, I am guessing) are proud of the early historic work of the Lemen family in Illinois. And there are published, family accounts --mentioning Thomas Jefferson and Lincoln.

But, the experts say otherwise. That the Jefferson Lemen Compact never
really existed, Lincoln never really did write such a letter, later either.
The net has several articles on this, an interesting article at Wikipedia.

I wonder what other readers have concluded in their study of Jefferson
and Lincoln. Was the Reverend James Lemen assigned by Thomas
Jefferson and to use his Church functions to become involved in the politics of Illinois? Was the preacher just making this all up? This is another topic seldom or never seen, even in graduate history texts. While it is easy to quickly scan the experts dismissals of the Lemen claims, yet this Christian family went to a tremendous amount of sustained work for many decades to help secure Illinois as a non-slavery state. It doesn't make sense for me to conclude that Lemen was delusional or would need to lie?

In 1858, Alexander Long, purchased a marbletop sideboard from Abraham for $100. Dr. Warren turned his great grandson away when the sideboard was offered. I wonder what ever became of it. Here is the archived communications between Mr. Charles Brown and Dr. Warren. I have emailed the g-g-g grandson, John M. Brown, to see if he knows it's whereabouts.

https://archive.org/stream/curiosrelicsfurnlinc_74

Has anyone read about this study?

I read through the article, but I must rely on forum members with finer minds than mine to make sense of it. It seems to me the bottom line is that Nancy Hanks was illegitimate. At least I think that's what this study concluded????

Any opinions on the "legitimacy" of the source of the study?

I had a great time on this year’s Springfield tour and definitely learned a some things. I thought I would post a little more information about what I learned about a few of the places we visited. Joe and Gene provided lots of great photos from our trip (see the “Springfield Tour” thread). I am posting a couple of photos here so some photos are handy.

Lincoln was one of a group of lawyers that traveled the Eighth Judicial Circuit. Twice a year, he and others, along with Judge David Davis, would ride from county seat to county seat to hear court cases brought by the local residents. During these years, he probably spent as much time riding the circuit as he did at home in Springfield. As a brief aside, author Guy Fraker believes it was Lincoln’s time spent on the circuit that paved his way to the Presidency. One of the counties on the Circuit was Logan County, IL. There were several different Logan county seats and courthouses during Lincoln’s time and the ones in Postville and Mt. Pulaski were two of them. Not many details are known about Lincoln’s cases in Logan County as a fire in 1857 (by then, the county seat was in Lincoln, IL) destroyed most of the Logan County court records from the period when Lincoln served on the circuit. There are some remaining documents that shed some light on a few of his cases. These are apparently duplicate records that exist related to appeals of some of the cases in another court. We paid visits to the historical sites related to both the Postville and Mt. Pulaski courthouses. A replica (built in 1953) of the original Postville Courthouse sits at the original location. It is in what is now Lincoln, IL at 914 5th Street. I can’t tell you what is inside now because it was closed when we were there. The Mt. Pulaski Courthouse is at 113 S Washington St., Mt. Pulaski, IL. It has been restored to look like it did when Lincoln served as an attorney inside its walls. The floors and railing in the courtroom are original and were there during Lincoln’s time. The Mt. Pulaski Courthouse is one of only two original courthouses remaining in Illinois in which Lincoln practiced law while riding the circuit. The other is in Metamora, IL.

Postville Courthouse
The Postville Courthouse was built in 1840, about a year after it was decided that the community of Postville would be the seat of the newly formed Logan County. It was a frame building built in a very simple, Federal style and looked like a regular house. In addition to the courtroom, the building housed the offices of the county clerk, the recorder of deeds, the Sherriff, the coroner, and the county surveyor. When not in use by the circuit court, the courtroom was used by the justice of the peace and as a meeting room for the county board of commissioners. This building served as the courthouse for 8 years (1840-1848). In 1848, the residents of Mt. Pulaski, IL offered to build a new structure to serve as county courthouse. The residents collected $2700 of the $3000 necessary to build it. The county leaders accepted the offer, partly due to a fear of courthouse fire and thereby the destruction of the county’s legal records. A fear that proved to be well founded as many of the county’s legal records were in fact destroyed in a fire in 1857 as stated above. After the county seat moved to Mt. Pulaski, the building became a private home. The town of Postville was annexed by the town of Lincoln, IL in 1860, and the building became sort of forgotten. It was bought by Henry Ford for about $8000 in 1929, when he became interested in buying up historical properties. Yes, the same Henry Ford who said in a 1916 interview with the Chicago Tribune, “I don’t know much about history, and I wouldn’t give a nickel for all the history in the world. It means nothing to me.” Guess he changed his tune – probably because he thought he could make some money. Anyway, Ford’s crew dismantled the building and its foundation. The pieces were moved and then reassembled at the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village in Dearborn, MI. I have not been there, but apparently the building is still there. The attached photo is of the replica courthouse in Lincoln, IL.
   

Mt. Pulaski Courthouse
As stated above, it was the decided that the Mt. Pulaski Courthouse would be a masonry structure to help protect against fire. The courthouse was completed in 1848, being a brick building in the Greek Revival style. Mt. Pulaski was, and is, located in the southeastern part of Logan County. In the early 1850s, a railroad was built (it would become the Chicago and Alton Railroad) heading to the northeast from Springfield. While this rail line passed through Logan County, it was nowhere near Mt. Pulaski. Because all of the new development of the county was focused around the railroad, it was decided that the Logan County seat would move again. This time to a location on the rail line and more near the center of the county. It was moved to Lincoln, IL, the only community to be named for Lincoln during his lifetime. The county voters solidified the choice in 1853 and by 1855 the county government had been relocated. In the years following the relocation of the county seat to Lincoln, IL, the former courthouse building was used as a school, a city hall and jail, and as a post office. In the 1930s the IL Governor started a program to find any surviving buildings in which Lincoln had spent time. In 1936, Mt. Pulaski gave the building to the state of Illinois. The state restored it to its mid nineteenth century courthouse character from 1936-1939. It was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1978. Restoration and maintenance projects continue in the courthouse which now serves as a historical site. The attached photos are of the exterior of the courthouse and of the second floor courtroom.
       

For additional information on Lincoln’s time on the eighth judicial circuit, check out the following:

Lincoln’s Ladder to the Presidency: The Eighth Judicial Circuit, by Guy C. Fraker

http://www.lookingforlincoln.com/8thcircuit/index.html

Hello everyone!

Some years ago I came across a quote by Lincoln on Providence ("the providence of the most men, the largest purse, and the longest cannon"). It wasn't until recently, when talking to someone much more familiar with Abe than myself (who was initially sure that this wasn't from any of his speeches, as he had read all of them and hadn't come across this), that I found this was from a speech he gave in 1856 which was only partially recorded (by William Herndon).

This leads me to wonder: how many more of these partially-recorded speeches are there? Are there definitive collections of Lincoln's speeches, and if so, do any of these contain any fragmentary ones, or references to speeches that weren't written down at all? Are there any other quotes or such like which are also not recorded in definitive sources, much like the way the "Agrapha" relates to the NT?

I've tried to find other examples, but without a working familiarity with any but his best-known speeches I haven't been able to make any progress. Any other stories of lesser-known "words of Lincoln" would also be very interesting!