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Amalia · 03-25-2018, 12:06 PM

(03-24-2018 08:02 PM)L Verge Wrote: It will be interesting to see your mentoring professor's comments on this, but I personally feel that you have succinctly stated your objectives and what you hope to prove.

I also breathed a sigh of relief in that you emphatically state that the purpose is to show definite political outcomes resulting from Lincoln's religious (or non-religious) convictions. I was concerned as I read the comments that we had previously made to you that we were not really helping you in developing the political angle; we were still personalizing his tenets rather than politicizing them.

P.S. Old school teacher me did catch a few typos - one near the end had a capital T on "the" instead of lower case, and the other had to do with a singular noun that carried a plural verb, or vice versa. Will check back over it and be more specific.

Found it under 2. "great amount of research HAVE - should be HAS

This article is 18 years old, but it might help with broad ideas. https://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/19/us/be...hough.html Note the title of Professor Guelzo's book, which is now almost two decades old. Have you consulted it?

Professor Guelzo is still in the teaching field at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania, and you might be able to contact him for thoughts. Roger and I have also been in touch with possibly the best Lincoln authority, Harold Holzer. He is aware of your project, but is swamped with work right now (still works for a living). I hope that he will respond at some point, however. I have thoughts on some other contacts too.

Do you have a deadline for completion?

It is so nice of you to do that! I didn't think about getting in touch with Pr Guelzo. I assumed he wouldn't have time to respond to an unknown student at all, just like I didn't think I would get so much feedback from the forum, if only I knew this before! I bought his book though, Redeemer President, which I think is quite difficult to read and comprehend.

I didn't present it yet to my professor; I was waiting for your comments to make sure if it was "alright" and clear. You might know who my professor is; he wrote a book about Lincoln. His name is Olivier Frayssé and the book is entitled Lincoln, Land and Labor.
I was expecting comments about my writing. Actually, I needed those comments. English is only my fourth language; I'm sorry you had to see your language getting butchered this way haha.
Concerning the deadline, yes I do have one, a pretty close one. End of June 2018. It's very short notice, and it's all my fault cause i have thinking about it but not doing anything productive. I guess I'll skip on sleeping for the next two months to be able to finish it.

RJNorton · 03-25-2018, 12:18 PM

Amalia...just a brief note re: "his run for the Illinois legislature in 1843 and 1846."

Lincoln did not run for the Illinois legislature in those two years.

Amalia · 03-25-2018, 12:42 PM

(03-25-2018 12:18 PM)RJNorton Wrote: Amalia...just a brief note re: "his run for the Illinois legislature in 1843 and 1846."

Lincoln did not run for the Illinois legislature in those two years.

Ok, so if I get it right, a congressional Whig nomination is not "included" (I don't know how to out this, sorry) in Illinois legislature...
My question sounds stupid now that I'm saying out loud. Politics is not my strong suit haha. Ironically, I'm writing a whole thesis about it.
Anyway, in Essays on Lincoln's Faith and Politics, Hans J. Morgenthau referred to those episodes as "running for the Illinois legislature". I can take a picture of the excerpt but I don't know how to insert it here!

PS: I'm loving the forum. You have no idea how much this helps and encourages me. Not so many people are interested in Lincoln in my surroundings.

L Verge · (This post was last modified: 03-25-2018 01:01 PM by L Verge.)

(03-25-2018 12:06 PM)Amalia Wrote:
(03-24-2018 08:02 PM)L Verge Wrote: It will be interesting to see your mentoring professor's comments on this, but I personally feel that you have succinctly stated your objectives and what you hope to prove.

I also breathed a sigh of relief in that you emphatically state that the purpose is to show definite political outcomes resulting from Lincoln's religious (or non-religious) convictions. I was concerned as I read the comments that we had previously made to you that we were not really helping you in developing the political angle; we were still personalizing his tenets rather than politicizing them.

P.S. Old school teacher me did catch a few typos - one near the end had a capital T on "the" instead of lower case, and the other had to do with a singular noun that carried a plural verb, or vice versa. Will check back over it and be more specific.

Found it under 2. "great amount of research HAVE - should be HAS

This article is 18 years old, but it might help with broad ideas. https://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/19/us/be...hough.html Note the title of Professor Guelzo's book, which is now almost two decades old. Have you consulted it?

Professor Guelzo is still in the teaching field at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania, and you might be able to contact him for thoughts. Roger and I have also been in touch with possibly the best Lincoln authority, Harold Holzer. He is aware of your project, but is swamped with work right now (still works for a living). I hope that he will respond at some point, however. I have thoughts on some other contacts too.

Do you have a deadline for completion?

It is so nice of you to do that! I didn't think about getting in touch with Pr Guelzo. I assumed he wouldn't have time to respond to an unknown student at all, just like I didn't think I would get so much feedback from the forum, if only I knew this before! I bought his book though, Redeemer President, which I think is quite difficult to read and comprehend.

I didn't present it yet to my professor; I was waiting for your comments to make sure if it was "alright" and clear. You might know who my professor is; he wrote a book about Lincoln. His name is Olivier Frayssé and the book is entitled Lincoln, Land and Labor.
I was expecting comments about my writing. Actually, I needed those comments. English is only my fourth language; I'm sorry you had to see your language getting butchered this way haha.
Concerning the deadline, yes I do have one, a pretty close one. End of June 2018. It's very short notice, and it's all my fault cause i have thinking about it but not doing anything productive. I guess I'll skip on sleeping for the next two months to be able to finish it.

I agree with you in finding Prof. Guelzo's work and speeches difficult to comprehend, but he seems to be respected in the Lincoln field.

And, if you think that what you wrote has in any way butchered our language, you have no idea how the average American now can literally slaughter what used to be English!

RJNorton · 03-25-2018, 01:00 PM

Amalia, here's how I believe the timeline should go:

1832 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and lost.

1834 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and won.

1836 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and won.

1838 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and won.

1840 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and won.

1843 - failed to win the Whig Party nomination for the United States House of Representatives.

1846 - ran for the United States House of Representatives and won.

Amalia · (This post was last modified: 03-25-2018 01:18 PM by Amalia.)

(03-25-2018 01:00 PM)RJNorton Wrote: Amalia, here's how I believe the timeline should go:

1832 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and lost.

1834 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and won.

1836 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and won.

1838 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and won.

1840 - ran for the Illinois state legislature and won.

1843 - failed to win the Whig Party nomination for the United States House of Representatives.

1846 - ran for the United States House of Representatives and won.

Great, but how do you explain the fact that Morgenthau, when talking about the 1843 run for the Whig congressional nomination, uses the phrasing "Illinois legislature"? I'll email you the excerpt right now. I'm starting to doubt my secondary sources...

(03-25-2018 01:00 PM)L Verge Wrote:
(03-25-2018 12:06 PM)Amalia Wrote:
(03-24-2018 08:02 PM)L Verge Wrote: It will be interesting to see your mentoring professor's comments on this, but I personally feel that you have succinctly stated your objectives and what you hope to prove.

I also breathed a sigh of relief in that you emphatically state that the purpose is to show definite political outcomes resulting from Lincoln's religious (or non-religious) convictions. I was concerned as I read the comments that we had previously made to you that we were not really helping you in developing the political angle; we were still personalizing his tenets rather than politicizing them.

P.S. Old school teacher me did catch a few typos - one near the end had a capital T on "the" instead of lower case, and the other had to do with a singular noun that carried a plural verb, or vice versa. Will check back over it and be more specific.

Found it under 2. "great amount of research HAVE - should be HAS

This article is 18 years old, but it might help with broad ideas. https://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/19/us/be...hough.html Note the title of Professor Guelzo's book, which is now almost two decades old. Have you consulted it?

Professor Guelzo is still in the teaching field at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania, and you might be able to contact him for thoughts. Roger and I have also been in touch with possibly the best Lincoln authority, Harold Holzer. He is aware of your project, but is swamped with work right now (still works for a living). I hope that he will respond at some point, however. I have thoughts on some other contacts too.

Do you have a deadline for completion?

It is so nice of you to do that! I didn't think about getting in touch with Pr Guelzo. I assumed he wouldn't have time to respond to an unknown student at all, just like I didn't think I would get so much feedback from the forum, if only I knew this before! I bought his book though, Redeemer President, which I think is quite difficult to read and comprehend.

I didn't present it yet to my professor; I was waiting for your comments to make sure if it was "alright" and clear. You might know who my professor is; he wrote a book about Lincoln. His name is Olivier Frayssé and the book is entitled Lincoln, Land and Labor.
I was expecting comments about my writing. Actually, I needed those comments. English is only my fourth language; I'm sorry you had to see your language getting butchered this way haha.
Concerning the deadline, yes I do have one, a pretty close one. End of June 2018. It's very short notice, and it's all my fault cause i have thinking about it but not doing anything productive. I guess I'll skip on sleeping for the next two months to be able to finish it.

I agree with you in finding Prof. Guelzo's work and speeches difficult to comprehend, but he seems to be respected in the Lincoln field.

And, if you think that what you wrote has in any way butchered our language, you have no idea how the average American now can literally slaughter what used to be English!

Many people say that but I think that it doesn't give me the right to keep on doing it haha

RJNorton · 03-25-2018, 01:45 PM

(03-25-2018 01:16 PM)Amalia Wrote: Great, but how do you explain the fact that Morgenthau, when talking about the 1843 run for the Whig congressional nomination, uses the phrasing "Illinois legislature"? I'll email you the excerpt right now. I'm starting to doubt my secondary sources...

All I can think of to say is that I believe Professor Morgenthau was confused on state versus federal elections. As far as I know, Lincoln served four terms in the Illinois state legislature, and then he never ran again for that position.

Amalia · 03-25-2018, 01:55 PM

(03-25-2018 01:45 PM)RJNorton Wrote:
(03-25-2018 01:16 PM)Amalia Wrote: Great, but how do you explain the fact that Morgenthau, when talking about the 1843 run for the Whig congressional nomination, uses the phrasing "Illinois legislature"? I'll email you the excerpt right now. I'm starting to doubt my secondary sources...

All I can think of to say is that I believe Professor Morgenthau was confused on state versus federal elections. As far as I know, Lincoln served four terms in the Illinois state legislature, and then he never ran again for that position.

You may be right cause I have to say, I haven't read this elsewhere than in his essay...