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09-13-2018, 08:22 AM
Post: #151
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See if you can get this without googling.

I have a magazine from 2015 that has a quote about Lincoln. It was said by a person who knew him. I do not know the original source (if there is one) for the quote.

Who said this?

"There are many pictures of Lincoln; there is no portrait of him."
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09-13-2018, 11:18 AM (This post was last modified: 09-13-2018 11:27 AM by Warren.)
Post: #152
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Oh, I have read that and got to put the thinking cap on (foil of course). Won't cheat and google it. Nicolay comes to mind and it seems I read it in a book about Brady by Meserve's grandson.
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09-13-2018, 12:24 PM
Post: #153
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Excellent memory, Warren! You are correct. I was reading a 2015 National Geographic which contains an article entitled "Lincoln: Looking For His Legacy Today." And this quote by Nicolay is in the article. Quoting from the article:

"Nicolay described 'the long gamut of expression from grave to gay, and back again from the rollicking jollity of laughter to that serious, far-away look with prophetic intuitions beheld the awful panorama of war, and heard the cry of oppression and suffering.' Perhaps this is why Nicolay wrote: "There are many pictures of Lincoln; there is no portrait of him."
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09-13-2018, 01:16 PM
Post: #154
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Thanks, Roger - I edited my response because originally I thought Sandburg, but re-read the question and noted that it was said by someone who knew Lincoln. I had read the quote about 2 or 3 weeks ago, in the Brady book as I recall, so I defaulted to Nicolay as he was mentioned in the book. I'm sure everyone here has read it, but I keep reading over and over about how Meserve acquired his collection. Can anyone imagine what it would be like to acquire what essentially amounted to a warehouse full of glass negatives of almost every notable person of the mid-nineteenth century? And thank God for him, since the vast majority of them would have probably been thrown away.
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09-14-2018, 10:19 AM
Post: #155
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I was able to locate the source of the quote:

https://books.google.com/books?id=NnYAAA...&q&f=false
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09-15-2018, 09:11 AM
Post: #156
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Did Lincoln really say the following?

In a New York Times Op-Ed,"The Secret to Cracking Trump’s Base," (Sept. 14, 2018), Timothy Egan wrote that Abraham Lincoln said: “No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar."

I could not easily find an identifiable, reliable source for this alleged Lincoln quotation.

"So very difficult a matter is it to trace and find out the truth of anything by history." -- Plutarch
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09-15-2018, 09:57 AM
Post: #157
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I agree, David. I have seen that quote attributed to Lincoln on the Internet but never have found a legitimate original source for it.
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09-15-2018, 10:31 AM (This post was last modified: 09-15-2018 10:43 AM by David Lockmiller.)
Post: #158
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(09-15-2018 09:57 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  I agree, David. I have seen that quote attributed to Lincoln on the Internet but never have found a legitimate original source for it.

Thanks, Roger. The comments section to this Op-Ed was already closed when I made my post to which you responded. Otherwise, I would make a comment to the effect that it is never a good idea to misquote Abraham Lincoln.

And, I just submitted the following proposed letter-to-the-editor of the New York Times:

In the New York Times Op-Ed,"The Secret to Cracking Trump’s Base," (Sept. 14, 2018), Timothy Egan wrote that Abraham Lincoln said: “No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar."

I could not find an identifiable, reliable source for this alleged Lincoln quotation. It is never a good idea to misquote Abraham Lincoln.

"So very difficult a matter is it to trace and find out the truth of anything by history." -- Plutarch
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09-15-2018, 01:51 PM
Post: #159
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(09-15-2018 10:31 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  It is never a good idea to misquote Abraham Lincoln.

Can we quote you on that?
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So when is this "Old Enough To Know Better" supposed to kick in?
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09-15-2018, 05:22 PM (This post was last modified: 09-16-2018 01:02 PM by Eva Elisabeth.)
Post: #160
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And in the end, a misquotation is a lie, no?

It makes no sense to alter this image to make it Google-image-search-proof (quality suffers too much), so please be honest Abes and don't do it. I am fine with any other inspiration from Google on your part, just the simple one-click way is not the intention of this game.

The person and scene in this painting portrayed a quote on Abraham Lincoln.
Who is the person, where is he, and what is the "statement" of the quote (no need to quote literally)?
   
(And an extra point for who uttered the quote!)
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09-15-2018, 07:29 PM (This post was last modified: 09-15-2018 07:38 PM by David Lockmiller.)
Post: #161
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(09-15-2018 01:51 PM)Gene C Wrote:  
(09-15-2018 10:31 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  It is never a good idea to misquote Abraham Lincoln.

Can we quote you on that?
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You can and you may!

(09-15-2018 05:22 PM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  And in the end, a misquotation is a lie, no?

Not necessarily, a lie implies an intent to misquote.

"So very difficult a matter is it to trace and find out the truth of anything by history." -- Plutarch
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09-15-2018, 08:05 PM
Post: #162
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(09-15-2018 10:31 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  
(09-15-2018 09:57 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  I agree, David. I have seen that quote attributed to Lincoln on the Internet but never have found a legitimate original source for it.

Thanks, Roger. The comments section to this Op-Ed was already closed when I made my post to which you responded. Otherwise, I would make a comment to the effect that it is never a good idea to misquote Abraham Lincoln.

And, I just submitted the following proposed letter-to-the-editor of the New York Times:

In the New York Times Op-Ed,"The Secret to Cracking Trump’s Base," (Sept. 14, 2018), Timothy Egan wrote that Abraham Lincoln said: “No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar."

I could not find an identifiable, reliable source for this alleged Lincoln quotation. It is never a good idea to misquote Abraham Lincoln.

I traced some of the history of where the quote comes from. The earliest I could find it in a slightly different form is from a widespread 1907 print ad for the Ford Model K. The advertisement attributes the quote to Robert Ingersoll, but I don't know if that's true or not:

https://books.google.com/books?id=ytxDAQ...22&f=false

In 1910, the quote appears in newspapers in a form closer to the present day version of the quote:

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/...nge&page=1

And the earliest attribution of the quote to Abraham Lincoln I could find was from February 1927 which is almost identical to the present version of the quote:

https://archive.org/stream/WinStar_01072...ul+liar%22
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09-16-2018, 03:33 AM (This post was last modified: 09-16-2018 03:42 AM by Eva Elisabeth.)
Post: #163
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(09-15-2018 07:29 PM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  
(09-15-2018 01:51 PM)Gene C Wrote:  
(09-15-2018 10:31 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  It is never a good idea to misquote Abraham Lincoln.

Can we quote you on that?
Smile

You can and you may!

(09-15-2018 05:22 PM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  And in the end, a misquotation is a lie, no?

Not necessarily, a lie implies an intent to misquote.
Oh, but the press are professionals who should check and know what they publish as a matter of responsibility. Especially such a prestigious paper should. (And then another German proverb says that ignorance doesn't protect from punishment, meaning it doesn't make the deed undone.)
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09-16-2018, 04:42 AM
Post: #164
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(09-15-2018 05:22 PM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  And in the end, a misquotation is a lie, no?

It makes no sense to alter this image to make it Google-image-search-proof (quality suffers too much), so please be honest Abes and don't do it. I am fine with any other inspiration from Google on your part, just the simple one-click way is not the intention of this game.

The person and scene in this painting portrait a quote on Abraham Lincoln.
Who is the person, where is he, and what is the "statement" of the quote (no need to quote literally)?

(And an extra point for who uttered the quote!)

Eva, can you give us a hint?
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09-16-2018, 05:43 AM
Post: #165
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I would prefer you first to try some y/n questions (on who/where that is, if real or...)
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