I suppose this is Lincoln's funeral procession over Pennsylvania Avenue on April 19, 1865. Where exactly?

Are there any photo's existing of the procession on which is a clearly view of the funeral car?

I know Mary Lincoln was not in one of the carriages, but was Tad?

(12-06-2014 05:05 PM)loetar44 Wrote:  I suppose this is Lincoln's funeral procession over Pennsylvania Avenue on April 19, 1865. Where exactly?

Are there any photo's existing of the procession on which is a clearly view of the funeral car?

I know Mary Lincoln was not in one of the carriages, but was Tad?

I don't remember seeing this engraving before, but Pennsylvania Avenue sure looks loooong in this rendering. Because of that, my guess would be that the large building on the left is Willard's Hotel, which would have been shortly after the procession left the White House.

There's something about the fact that there are so many large buildings and absolutely no indication of the Capitol in the distance that makes me suspicious that this might be a procession in another city larger than D.C.

Here's an illustration of the April 19, 1865 funeral procession.

   


Original caption
President Lincoln's Funeral Procession in Washington City.
Source citation:
Harper's Weekly Magazine, May 6, 1865, p. 277.

(12-06-2014 05:05 PM)loetar44 Wrote:  I suppose this is Lincoln's funeral procession over Pennsylvania Avenue on April 19, 1865. Where exactly?

Are there any photo's existing of the procession on which is a clearly view of the funeral car?

I know Mary Lincoln was not in one of the carriages, but was Tad?

The large building is not the Willard. The Willard is on the West side of 12th st. (The Willard would be the tiny corned of a building seen on the left edge of the picture). IF this is a picture of Washington.

It's Broadway in New York.

http://hd.housedivided.dickinson.edu/node/41194

(12-06-2014 05:05 PM)loetar44 Wrote:  I suppose this is Lincoln's funeral procession over Pennsylvania Avenue on April 19, 1865. Where exactly?

Are there any photo's existing of the procession on which is a clearly view of the funeral car?

I know Mary Lincoln was not in one of the carriages, but was Tad?

Kees, this photo is from the Library of Congress. The caption reads
"The funeral car that conveyed the remains of President Lincoln from the Executive Mansion to the Capitol, April 19th 1865"

   

(12-06-2014 11:52 PM)Anita Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 05:05 PM)loetar44 Wrote:  I suppose this is Lincoln's funeral procession over Pennsylvania Avenue on April 19, 1865. Where exactly?

Are there any photo's existing of the procession on which is a clearly view of the funeral car?

I know Mary Lincoln was not in one of the carriages, but was Tad?

Kees, this photo is from the Library of Congress. The caption reads
"The funeral car that conveyed the remains of President Lincoln from the Executive Mansion to the Capitol, April 19th 1865"

Thanks Anita. Do you (or someone else) know if Tad was with RTL during the procession over Pennsylvania Ave.?

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(12-06-2014 10:58 PM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote:  It's Broadway in New York.

http://hd.housedivided.dickinson.edu/node/41194

Thanks Susan! So, it's Broadway (in Dutch "Brede weg", when it was Nieuw Amsterdam / New Amsterdam). I already suspected it was not Pennsylvania Ave., because I did not see the dome of the Capitol and because the funeral car looked a lot larger than the one used in DC. Thanks again.

Kees, I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Tad stayed back with his mother, but I cannot recall the source.

Yes, the funeral cortege is proceeding up Broadway. The building on the right (with the flag) is the Brooks Brothers store (462, 464, and 466 Broadway).

(12-07-2014 06:54 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  Kees, I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Tad stayed back with his mother, but I cannot recall the source.

My memory is indeed fading. In Twenty Days, on p. 131, it says, "Behind the hearse Robert Lincoln and Tad Lincoln rode in a carriage together."

(12-07-2014 10:36 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 06:54 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  Kees, I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Tad stayed back with his mother, but I cannot recall the source.

My memory is indeed fading. In Twenty Days, on p. 131, it says, "Behind the hearse Robert Lincoln and Tad Lincoln rode in a carriage together."

Thanks Roger. Memory is a great deceiver. Perhaps there are some whose memories act like tape recordings or so, people who can record every detail, but I am not one of them. My memory is like patchwork and sections of my memory seem to have vanished completely. It was Stephen King who said that time is the thief of memory and he is right...

(12-07-2014 11:24 AM)loetar44 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 10:36 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 06:54 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  Kees, I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Tad stayed back with his mother, but I cannot recall the source.

My memory is indeed fading. In Twenty Days, on p. 131, it says, "Behind the hearse Robert Lincoln and Tad Lincoln rode in a carriage together."

Thanks Roger. Memory is a great deceiver. Perhaps there are some whose memories act like tape recordings or so, people who can record every detail, but I am not one of them. My memory is like patchwork and sections of my memory seem to have vanished completely. It was Stephen King who said that time is the thief of memory and he is right...

The hard part about memories regarding details such as these is that you may still be right on your first one Roger! Always seem to be lots of conflicting reports in different works when studying events like we do here. Lots of times on this forum there has been conflicting information regarding the same event.

Kees, I had not heard that Stephen King quote but I like it and it is certainly true!

I've another question re. this photo:

   

I've seen different captions. Is this a photo of people waiting in line at the Capitol on April 20, 1865 to view Lincoln? Or is this a photo of people watching the Grand Review of the Armies on May 23, 1865?

Thanks again!

(12-07-2014 03:21 PM)loetar44 Wrote:  I've another question re. this photo:



I've seen different captions. Is this a photo of people waiting in line at the Capitol on April 20, 1865 to view Lincoln? Or is this a photo of people watching the Grand Review of the Armies on May 23, 1865?

Thanks again!

I have never seen this photo before and it is a great question. My initial reaction would be that it was of people waiting on April 20th. The flag that is seen in the picture is at half mast. Though I can't say for sure, I don't think the flag would still be at half staff as late as May 23 (unless for someone else other than Lincoln). The typical protocol, as far as I am aware, is to fly the flag at half mast from the time of death until interment. Interment in Lincoln's case occurred on May 4, 1865.

Like Scott, this was new to me, also. I did find it on the Civil War Home Page website.

http://www.civil-war.net/cw_images/files/images/402.jpg

The caption here (#402) says, "Spectators at Side of the Capitol, which is Hung with Crepe and has Flag at Half-Mast - Washington, D.C., May 1865"

There is a sign in the center which I think says Welcome Brave Soldiers (not 100% certain on the wording)