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1860 Census and Phillip Dinkell
12-25-2015, 12:07 PM
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RE: 1860 Census and Phillip Dinkell
Maharba, can you post the URL of the page you are looking at? >

Also, if Abraham Lincoln were not included in the 1840 federal census...is there importance to this? IMO it is not that unusual if the census misses some people.>

I wish I had a link/URL to furnish but I looked at the 35mm film version. But I would guess that the Mormon LDS site and others have that 1840 Sangamon census online. As I say, the numbering of the pages is almost useless, and the names hard to really read. As others look at this listing I cited (for Abraham Lincon/Lemon/Lewis/?), you actually have to use your imagination to be sure that the 'Abraham' part is even that. And yes I think it is very worthwhile that our future highest Federal official would be located by name, in what should be his first census. I think that it might be remiss for a modern 'Lincoln scholar' to never bother to look at the very most basic original records, especially when it is so much easier than the past 200 years, to do. No long train rides to DC to pore over old original Census records. We've already learned one surprise: that in 1840 Lincoln was not enumerated with Josh Speed. And remember that there are many 'genealogists' yet who claim (future president) Abraham Lincoln is the Abram Lincoln in Hancock county 1840. So, we can say "they haven't caught up to actual history yet". Because that Abram Lincoln is the first cousin of (president) Abraham Lincoln, that is the son of Mordecai Lincoln (brother of pres Lincolns father Thomas). It is slightly possible we yet might find Abraham Lincoln had traveled briefly out to the Omaha region or even further west, in the 1840 census. My listing cited may be erroneous, yet. This is actual history, and it is almost comical it has apparently not been worked out, before this time.
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09-15-2017, 01:17 AM
Post: #32
RE: 1860 Census and Phillip Dinkell
(06-22-2015 03:09 PM)RJNorton Wrote:  Following Susan's link I found Phillip Dinkel mentioned in By Square & Compass: Saga of the Lincoln Home by Dr. Wayne C. Temple.

Dr. Temple talks about the home in 1860 and mentions Mary Johnson as one roomer. He then mentions Phillip Dinkel as the second roomer.

Dr. Temple writes:

The second roomer was Phillip Dinkle, a lad of about 15 and born in Illinois. He perhaps helped the Hon. A. Lincoln, Presidential candidate, with the household chores. Mary tended to put on airs with her elevated position, although the Presidential race changed Abraham but little.

Young Phillip's mother - Barbara Dinkel - was a widow and resided at No. 54 on the south side of Edwards Street, between Eighth and Ninth, and must have needed an additional income. She lived near enough for Mary to have learned of her misfortune and to have assisted her. Mrs. Lincoln possessed a large and kind heart.

Barbara Dinkel, in 1860, was approximately thirty-five years of age and claimed W├╝rttemberg, Germany, as her native land. In addition to Phillip, she had two younger children at home with her: George, 13, born in Illinois, and Mary, 11, also of Illinois. Two elderly relatives lived with her, too. They stemmed from W├╝rttemberg, the same as Barbara did.

Where Phillip Dinkel went after the Lincolns departed for Washington is unknown. We do know that he died in Springfield on October 25, 1865, with consumption, the same dangerous disease which had snuffed out the life of little Eddie Lincoln in 1850 and probably caused the demise of Willie Lincoln on February 20, 1862, and even Tad Lincoln later. Phillip had been the eldest son of Mrs. Dinkel and worshipped at the First Baptist Church.


Roger, can you provide the page numbers for this information? thanks.
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09-15-2017, 07:31 AM
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RE: 1860 Census and Phillip Dinkell
(09-15-2017 01:17 AM)Donna McCreary Wrote:  Roger, can you provide the page numbers for this information? thanks.

Yes, Donna. Please see pages 132-133 of Dr. Temple's book.
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