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LincolnMan · 05-30-2013, 03:40 PM

This thread reminded me that I did some training at Ft. Drum. Maybe that fort doesn't exist anymore- I seem to recall that Grant spent some time there as a young U. S. Army officer. I could be wrong on that...

HerbS · (This post was last modified: 05-30-2013 04:43 PM by HerbS.)

Bill,Fort Drum is the home of the 10th Mountain Div.It is huge and near Watertown,NY.Blackhawk -Chopper pilots also train there.When they are on R+R it's great to talk to them in the 1000 Islands.

Bill,Fort Drum has good DNA-It was Grant's oldest son[General] who was there in 1908.Patton and Abrams were there for Tank training.Lots of Snow and High Peaks Mts.

LincolnMan · (This post was last modified: 05-30-2013 07:52 PM by LincolnMan.)

Wow Herb! I had no idea. I think I went there for a training in 1975. So there was a Grant connection! And other great Generals, as well. Nice to know its still active.

HerbS · 05-30-2013, 07:00 PM

Bill,That's what I am here for.New York and the Civil War and it's History!

L Verge · 05-30-2013, 07:33 PM

I think Herb has a list of girlfriends who are librarians at every library and historical society in the State of New York! He sure can sniff out the history - especially in the area where those Copperheaded Peace Democrats of 1864-65 may have resided.

HerbS · (This post was last modified: 05-31-2013 01:49 PM by HerbS.)

Fort Drum-Named after,Gen Richard Drum.He served with distinction in The Mexican War and Civil War.He died-10-15-1909.Thanks-Laurie

It was at General Drum's post in Southern California that 31 Camels were sent to Cavalry in the Civil War.Stanton ordered the Camels disposed of and wrote it off as a bad idea in 1863.

brtmchl · 05-31-2013, 02:00 PM

Wow! I think that may have been the dumbest article I ever read. He seems to place alot of emphasis on race. Has he ever contemplated the fact that most whites of that era thought they were above Blacks. Maybe, he should try and rebrand the Democrat Party as well, since it was majority Democrats in the South. Why do we always have to be so PC and whitewash our American History. There is nothing wrong with honoring the men on both sides of the conflict. They were all Americans. They all had honor, and they all had the love for this country.
Thanks for posting this article. What do you expect from New York?

Bill Richter · 05-31-2013, 02:20 PM

Now THAT is what I thought this whole article was about when I posted it, i.e., what brtmchl refers to. As an unreconstructed Southerner, I see this as just another attempt by certain parties--politicians, historians, news reporters, #%$^*@&% Yankees, whatever--to tell the rest of us how to think and live "properly" and forsake our past, which is deemed to be too evil and "poisonous" the present and future generations. But what do I know? I am just a 70-year-old cowboy (this last sentence or two was special for Laurie). Oh, well. Back to the horse and mule corrals where reality rules--inches deep. And thanks, brtmchl!

Bazinga!

JMadonna · 05-31-2013, 02:52 PM

(05-31-2013 01:30 PM)HerbS Wrote: Fort Drum-Named after,Gen Richard Drum.He served with distinction in The Mexican War and Civil War.He died-10-15-1909.Thanks-Laurie

It was at General Drum's post in Southern California that 31 Camels were sent to Cavalry in the Civil War.Stanton ordered the Camels disposed of and wrote it off as a bad idea in 1863.

Are you sure Herb?
I thought it was named after Lieutenant General Hugh Drum, the guy who was passed over for chief of staff by George Marshall. Before that I think it was called Fort Piney.

HerbS · (This post was last modified: 05-31-2013 04:41 PM by HerbS.)

Jerry-You are correct it was named after Hugh Drum! My mistake!

Jerry-I was so sure, that I am WRONG!---You are correct it was Hugh Drum!

JMadonna · 05-31-2013, 05:06 PM

(05-31-2013 02:20 PM)william l. richter Wrote: As an unreconstructed Southerner, I see this as just another attempt by certain parties--politicians, historians, news reporters, #%$^*@&% Yankees, whatever--to tell the rest of us how to think and live "properly" and forsake our past, which is deemed to be too evil and "poisonous" the present and future generations.

Agreed Bill,
Its NY propaganda pure and simple. As a former Northerner, I really appreciate how the South never forgets it's past and never trusts the mainstream media. Someday it will rise again.

LincolnMan · 05-31-2013, 06:06 PM

So what is the history of Hugh Drum?

JMadonna · (This post was last modified: 05-31-2013 08:28 PM by JMadonna.)

(05-31-2013 06:06 PM)LincolnMan Wrote: So what is the history of Hugh Drum?

Drum was from Michigan and had a long distinguished career. He campaigned hard for COS which annoyed FDR. His chief backer for the job was Douglas MacArthur whom Roosevelt hated almost as much as Hitler.

When Marshall got the job, Drum was prompted to Lieutenant General. Drum was a proven organizer, trainer, knew how to run a staff effciently. Marshall kept him on active serve long after his peers had been retired by Marshall. Drum performed well in his role as one of the four Army commanders who oversaw the Army mobilization of 1940-41.

Herb - I know that Gen Richard Drum had the Drum Barracks museum named after him and that Hugh's father was a Civil War veteran. Could they have been father and son?

L Verge · 05-31-2013, 10:20 PM

(05-31-2013 02:20 PM)william l. richter Wrote: Now THAT is what I thought this whole article was about when I posted it, i.e., what brtmchl refers to. As an unreconstructed Southerner, I see this as just another attempt by certain parties--politicians, historians, news reporters, #%$^*@&% Yankees, whatever--to tell the rest of us how to think and live "properly" and forsake our past, which is deemed to be too evil and "poisonous" the present and future generations. But what do I know? I am just a 70-year-old cowboy (this last sentence or two was special for Laurie). Oh, well. Back to the horse and mule corrals where reality rules--inches deep. And thanks, brtmchl!

Bazinga!

As some of you know, Bill makes me very mad when he puts himself down by claiming to be nothing but an old horse and mule wrangler. He's one of the smartest (and orneriest) men I know!

William, I shall overlook it this time because I am very proud of you using the term Bazinga! That means you are hip on what's hot now. I think Lindsey has a t-shirt that says that. I'll steal it and send it to you.

J. Beckert · 05-31-2013, 10:26 PM

Bill may rant about us #%$^*@&% Yankees, but he's right on the money with this one. I'm sick of it. I'll raise your Bazinga! with another Deo Vindice, you crabby old cowboy!