Lincoln and Ann Rutledge

[LincolnToddFan]

Amazing that we at least know what one of AR's sisters looked like....thanks Roger.

I still find it odd that AL and the family of the woman he almost married and who was (allegedly) so key to his young manhood did not keep in touch, the way he did with the Speeds.

There is not even one letter or telegram that survives between AL and the Rutledge family after he left New Salem in 1836 to his death in 1865...a period of close to 30 years?

[Eva Elisabeth]

(09-06-2014 01:27 PM)LincolnToddFan Wrote:  Amazing that we at least know what one of AR's sisters looked like....thanks Roger.

Yes, absolutely amazing - and thanks to Richard, too.

[LincolnMan]

Quoting from William Herndon's book Lincoln And Ann Rutledge:
"Abraham Lincoln loved Miss Ann Rutledge with all his soul, mind, and strength. She loved him as dearly, tenderly, and affectionately." Page 39.

Seems more than a bit over the top!

I don't why I just happened to open up this book this morning but when I did and read the passage I thought: really????

[ELCore]

(04-06-2016 06:56 AM)LincolnMan Wrote:  Quoting from William Herndon's book Lincoln And Ann Rutledge:
"Abraham Lincoln loved Miss Ann Rutledge with all his soul, mind, and strength. She loved him as dearly, tenderly, and affectionately." Page 39.

Seems more than a bit over the top!

I don't why I just happened to open up this book this morning but when I did and read the passage I thought: really????

Some think that Herndon exaggerated aspects of the Ann Rutledge story because of the mutual antipathy between himself and Mary Todd Lincoln.

[Gene C]

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[RJNorton]

(04-06-2016 09:18 AM)Gene C Wrote:  or food preference,

(10-05-2015 04:14 PM)Gene C Wrote:  Now I know why Abraham Lincoln's ghost walks at midnight. To many corn dogs and onion rings from his late night trips to the Cozy Dog Drive Inn. And while I wasn't walking at midnight, I did have a strange dream of Wild Bill teaching me how to read The Lincoln Myth.

I thought you did have a food preference.

[Gene C]

(04-06-2016 09:43 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  I thought you did have a food preference.

Due partly to the historical significance of the restaurant we ate there as a service to your readers.

[Eva Elisabeth]

What is the historic significance? Sounds you can declare it a business trip. Clothing style preference looks all things fur to me...

[Gene C]

Historical significance?
http://www.cozydogdrivein.com/history/

For more information on this delicious subject go to Trivia Questions- Who Said This, post #13
http://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussio...t=cozy+dog

[Eva Elisabeth]

The sausage car looks cool!

[Ed Steers]

I would love to weigh in on this, but it looks like I am way behind in the discussion. The article Joe Di Cola mentions is John Y. Simon, "Abraham Lincoln and Ann Rutledge," Journal of the Abraham Lincoln Association, vol. 11, 1990, pp. 13-33. If you do a timeline plotting when Ann and Lincoln were physically together in New Salem you may be surprised. To the best of my knowlege no one has bothered to track the two between Lincoln's arrival in July 1831 and Ann's death in August 1835.

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By the way, I forgot to mention that I believe Ann Rutledge is still buried in Old Concord, not Petersburg. I wrote a chapter on my take in "Lincoln Legends" (Chapter 4, page 51). I think the evidence supports Ann in Old Concord. Montgomery did not move her. He took an arm bone (Ulna) and a bucket of dirt to Petersburg. Several artifacts from the grave (Hair bow, button, piece of dress, hank of hair) were removed and preserved. They still exist.

[Joe Di Cola]

I agree with Ed Steers about where Ann Rutledge is really buried, and any who have accompanied me out to Old Concord Cemetery will have heard me speak on this. For more information read Gary Erikson's article: "The Graves of Ann Rutledge and the Old Concord Burial Ground" in the Lincoln Herald, vol. 71, No. 3, Fall, 1969.
As for any mention of contact between Lincoln and Ann between 1831 and August, 1835 when she died, I have spent YEARS trying to piece anything together other than the memories recorded by others. There is nothing in Lincoln Day By Day since everything in there has a paper trail of one sort or another. There is no paper trail concerning Lincoln and Ann. There are also no records of day-to-day interactions Lincoln had with other Rutledges or Onstot or Isaac Burner or Jack Kelso, etc. Any records of interactions between Lincoln and other people in and around New Salem involve lawsuits, judgments form payments, elections, commercial transactions, election campaigns, etc. for which there are paper trails.
So, it is not surprising that there is nothing similar for the time that Lincoln and Ann may have interacted.
We will never know the full story of any relationship between those two. It will always remain a farrago of fact and myth. QAs Ed mentioned, read the Simon article; it is outstanding.

[Eva Elisabeth]

Excellent article indeed - thanks for recommending! I found it here:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jala/2629860...w=fulltext

[davg2000]

Joe, do you know if the Gary Erikson article is on-line? Thanks.

[Joe Di Cola]

(04-24-2016 08:40 AM)davg2000 Wrote:  Joe, do you know if the Gary Erikson article is on-line? Thanks.

Supposedly, Lincoln Memorial University is offering back issues of the LINCOLN HERALD on line for free, but have not found a copy of the Fall, 1969 issue. Perhaps they sell Xeroxed copies. It might be worth your while to contact them about it. Otherwise, I can find no on lie source at this time. Sorry.