New Development in Booth Case Coming Soon
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08-25-2019, 02:22 AM
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RE: New Development in Booth Case Coming Soon
(06-21-2019 08:22 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:(06-21-2019 03:58 AM)Steve Wrote: [quote='Steve Whitlock' pid='77471' dateline='1561070511'] After taking another look for Virginia Florenz (Asburn) McCrea I found a marriage record for her in 1980 to Thomas John Smercak. Thomas John Smercak in the Nevada, Marriage Index, 1956-2005 Name: Thomas John Smercak Gender: Male Residence State: California Spouse: Virginia Florenz McCrea Spouse Residence State: California Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1980 Marriage County: Clark Officiant Type: Civil celebrant Recorded Date: 6 Jan 1981 Recorded County: Clark Book: 6120 Page: 89957 Instrument number: 89957 *************************** Virginia subsequently passed away in 1997: Virginia Florenz Smercak in the Nevada, Death Index, 1980-2012 Name: Virginia Florenz Smercak Birth Date: 2 Jul 1919 Birth Place: New York Death Date: 28 Jan 1997 Death Place: Clark, Nevada, USA ********************************* Virginia F Smercak BillionGraves Index Name Virginia F Smercak Event Type Burial Event Place Las Vegas, Clark, Nevada, United States Cemetery Palm Eastern Latitude 36.052635 Longitude -115.113939 Birth Date 02 Jul 1919 Death Date 28 Jan 1997 Affiliate Create Date 2015-05-25 00:40:45 Affiliate Image Identifier 14193353 Citing this Record "BillionGraves Index," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKDK-BL4W : 9 November 2015), Virginia F Smercak, died 28 Jan 1997; citing BillionGraves (http://www.billiongraves.com : 2012), Burial at Palm Eastern, Las Vegas, Clark, Nevada, United States. ************************************************** I have been in touch with Mr Smercak, who advised me Virginia was the end of that line as far as John W. Booth and Louisa Jane (Price) Payne-Booth are concerned. She had no siblings or children of her own, other than a half-brother, McCager Payne, whose father was Zebediah Payne. With no living descendants of Virginia there is no chance for getting some dna to help figure out exactly who her great grandfather really was, without an exhumation. |
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08-29-2019, 08:46 PM
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RE: New Development in Booth Case Coming Soon
I'm new to the forum here, but certainly not new to the assassination. I appreciate the sharing of the link for the news story! I found it entertaining to read. If you study art or anatomy at all, you will be quick to notice that the human face is not a mirror image from side to side. And, aside from the fact that the two pictures are of mustachioed men, there are no real similarities. The chin/jawline is different, the lower lip is different, the eyes and brow lines are different, the bridge of the nose is different. There is virtually no similarity between the two. As a dentist, I deal with people's faces every day. Look at the length of the upper lip between the two, and notice that Booth appears to have a longer upper lip than John St. Helen. The upper lip gets longer as we age, not shorter. And, not to disparage TV programs, but rarely is anything of substance revealed on them. The real discoveries come from thorough and often mundane research. We'll see where the discussion heads from here!
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05-02-2020, 12:00 PM
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RE: New Development in Booth Case Coming Soon
(08-25-2019 02:22 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:(06-21-2019 08:22 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:(06-21-2019 03:58 AM)Steve Wrote: [quote='Steve Whitlock' pid='77471' dateline='1561070511'] Here are some photos of Virginia Florenz (Asburn) McCrea-Smercak, her parents and maternal grandparents, and her uncles. The Bonney family were Vaudevillians, which is likely how Juanita Bonney and Charles W. Asburn Jr (aka Charles Levine/Lavine stage name) met for their very short marriage. In the "King of Marvin Gardens" movie photo Charles Lavine is lying on the bed with his grandson, Bruce Dern seated by him and other grandson, Jack Nicholson, standing. I don't know who the other man in the photo is off the top of my head. |
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06-21-2024, 05:06 PM
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RE: New Development in Booth Case Coming Soon
I'm hoping to resurrect this thread somewhat as I'm trying to make sense of all the great work the Steves have done regarding the Leadville John Wilkes Booth who died in 1916. In July, the family and I are taking a road trip to Colorado and I was going to try to visit Leadville and find this JWB's grave while I am there. But I'm having trouble parsing all of the information in this thread together. Just who do we believe the Leadville John Wilkes Booth was?
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06-22-2024, 01:59 PM
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RE: New Development in Booth Case Coming Soon
(06-21-2024 05:06 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote: Just who do we believe the Leadville John Wilkes Booth was? David George ? My theory is David George didn't die in Enid, OK. After an over zealous mortician tried to overwhelm David with formaldehyde fumes from a nearby furniture store and refinishing business, David managed to escape and hid in a barn that was used for making moonshine. Revenue agents staked out the farm hoping to capture George a/k/a John Wiles Booth. They surrounded the barn and tried to set fire to it (same old routine). The stored moonshine in the barn caught fire and blew up the barn. He somehow managed to escape and spent his final years in Leadville. Naturally this reminds me of a song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpuCOTxTiFI So when is this "Old Enough To Know Better" supposed to kick in? |
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08-11-2025, 04:05 AM
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RE: New Development in Booth Case Coming Soon
(06-21-2024 05:06 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote: I'm hoping to resurrect this thread somewhat as I'm trying to make sense of all the great work the Steves have done regarding the Leadville John Wilkes Booth who died in 1916. In July, the family and I are taking a road trip to Colorado and I was going to try to visit Leadville and find this JWB's grave while I am there. But I'm having trouble parsing all of the information in this thread together. Just who do we believe the Leadville John Wilkes Booth was? Sorry Dave, I didn't see this post you made last year to make a comment before your trip. Firstly, a new Find A Grave page for him was created after my initial posts about this 6 years ago: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/2713...lkes-booth So, here are my thoughts on the Leadville John Wilkes Booth: - I believe he is the same John Wilkes Booth who married Louisa Payne in 1872 in Tennessee and was the father of Laura Ida Booth (b.1873) for the following reasons 1. Both John Wilkes Booths were carpenters. 2. The Leadville Booth first unquestionably appears in the record in 1874 in Cheyenne, Wyoming where he marries another woman Dolly Baker. The JWB who married Louisa abandoned her while she was pregnant with Laura Ida. That fits neatly into the timeline where Leadville Booth first appears in Cheyenne. 3. The Leadville Booth's obituary published in the Leadville Herald in 1916 says that he had a prior wife who "died" in 1872. I've reposted the obituary below and it makes a lot of wild (and definitely wrong) claims but the timeline for the first wife to no longer be a part of his life matches pretty well. - Do I think he was a son of Junius Brutus Booth Jr.? Probably not, unless better evidence comes up, for the following reasons: 1. There's no record of such a son. 2. The obituary says that Leadville Booth was born in Massachusetts in 1848 with his mother being Agnes Booth, but then later on it says his father remarried in 1867 to Agnes Booth (ie Mrs Harry Perry). Since the obituary's information is probably coming from Dolly, I can't tell if it's a mistake on her part or his. 3. There are other wild fantastical features in the Leadville Booth obituary, like his first wife dying in a circus accident or him being an escaped murder witness. (I kind of wonder if that second story was created to explain his actions if he was being careful to try and not get caught just in case if there were relatives of Louisa looking for him.) I checked newspapers for accounts of such a circus accident but couldn't find any. I also checked for newspaper stories of a similar fleeing murder witness but can't find any close enough matches so far. 4. I don't think the information on Junius Brutus Booth Jr.'s life matches well, but Dave you'd probably be a better judge than me on that point. ![]() ![]() ![]()
31 December 1916 Herald Democrat of Leadville, CO
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08-12-2025, 08:49 AM
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RE: New Development in Booth Case Coming Soon
Many thanks to Steve. Steve writes, "I have a couple of items to post to the Forum on the thread where Dave Taylor asks about the Leadville John Wilkes Booth. One is his 1874 Cheyenne, Wyoming marriage record. The other is an article from the May 8, 1901 Leadville Herald Democrat where he is asked about his opinion on an 8 hour workday."
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Today, 06:28 AM
Post: #203
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RE: New Development in Booth Case Coming Soon
Thank you to Steve for sending this material. Steve writes, "I have something to post to the Forum. It's pages from an 1895 History of Hood County, Texas. It does mention Finis L. Bates' longshot campaign to get on the "Redeemer" (Anti-Reconstruction) Democratic ticket for Lt. Gov. Of Texas in the 1873 election.
But here's the incredible thing, it actually also mentions John St. Helen 8 years before David E. George would commit suicide! Now it only uses his last name; mentioning St. Helen's attempt, along with an accomplice, to murder a man named James Wray. It's not a full account of the incident, but a brief mention because the author seems to find the duo's inept attempt humorous and because Wray was the son-in-law of one of the first commissioners of Hood County. Also, it does say that St. Helen suffered from asthma and usually spoke softly due to it. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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