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Ulysses S. Grant elevated to General of the Armies of the United States
10-17-2024, 10:01 AM
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Ulysses S. Grant elevated to General of the Armies of the United States
The New York Times reports today:

In approving Grant’s promotion to general of the armies of the United States, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin III noted that Grant would be elevated “with the same rank and precedence” as the World War I hero John J. Pershing.

Grant’s promotion was authorized in the defense appropriation bill that President Biden signed into law in December 2022.

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10-17-2024, 07:45 PM (This post was last modified: 10-18-2024 08:07 AM by Gene C.)
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The good news is it only took 22 months for the New York Times to report this.
And it only took the US Government 160 years to authorize the promotion.

So when is this "Old Enough To Know Better" supposed to kick in?
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10-17-2024, 11:00 PM (This post was last modified: 10-18-2024 05:32 AM by AussieMick.)
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Gosh! Does he qualify for back pay, actually ?

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10-18-2024, 05:35 AM
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The Chief of Staff of the Army, General Randy George, earns $212,100 in base pay per year.
So I make that $33,936,000 in back pay.

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10-18-2024, 01:36 PM
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(10-17-2024 07:45 PM)Gene C Wrote:  The good news is it only took 22 months for the New York Times to report this.
And it only took the US Government 160 years to authorize the promotion.

Gene, the state of Missouri appears to have played a key role in the promotion of General Grant.

For Immediate Release: December 23, 2022
Authorization of Ulysses S. Grant’s posthumous promotion to the U.S. Army’s highest rank becomes law

The Grant Monument Association is pleased to report that Congress has passed, and today President Biden signed into law, legislation authorizing the President to posthumously promote Ulysses S. Grant to General of the Armies of the United States, the U.S. Army’s highest rank. This provision was passed as Section 583 of the National Defense Authorization Act. It confers on Grant the same rank and precedence held by General John J. Pershing, the only officer to have been General of the Armies of the United States during his lifetime. The posthumous honor of that rank was conferred in 1976 upon George Washington during the celebration of the nation’s bicentennial.

Missouri history was made last week on December 23, 2022, when the Civil War hero and one-time Missouri resident Ulysses S. Grant was posthumously promoted to the rank of General of the Armies of the United States, sometimes referred to as being a “six-star general.” The promotion commemorates the 200th anniversary of his birth. [Ulysses S. Grant (born Hiram Ulysses Grant) -- April 27, 1822] Ulysses and Julia Grant were married in Missouri, and three of their four children were born here. After Grant completed his military service in 1854, the family lived together at Julia’s parents’ estate near St. Louis in the Soulard area. Ulysses S. Grant joins only George Washington and John Joseph Pershing—another Missourian—in this honor. Missouri Humanities is proud to honor the legacy of Ulysses S. Grant with a traveling exhibit.

Special thanks to the cosponsors of the original legislation authorizing Grant’s posthumous promotion (see below for House cosponsors and Senate cosponsors), without whose support this honor would not have been conferred. We hope that President Biden makes the posthumous promotion now authorized and look forward to celebrating this honor soon.

H.J.Res.58 - Ulysses S. Grant Bicentennial Recognition Act
117th Congress (2021-2022)

Sponsor: Rep. Wagner, Ann [R-MO-2] (Introduced 09/14/2021)
Committees: House - Armed Services

Party of Cosponsor: Republican[14]; Democratic[2]

House Cosponsors by U.S. State or Territory: Missouri (4)

Sponsor: Sen. Blunt, Roy [R-MO] (Introduced 09/22/2021)
Committees: Senate - Judiciary
Latest Action: Senate - 09/22/2021 Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

Cosponsor by Sen. Brown, Sherrod [D-OH] 09/22/2021

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10-18-2024, 01:48 PM
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(10-18-2024 05:35 AM)AussieMick Wrote:  The Chief of Staff of the Army, General Randy George, earns $212,100 in base pay per year.
So I make that $33,936,000 in back pay.

Mike,

If I were him, I would settle for half of that in cash. Of course, he's been pretty quiet for the past 140 years so he may not have an opinion.

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10-19-2024, 09:22 AM (This post was last modified: 10-19-2024 09:35 AM by David Lockmiller.)
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In my opinion, Lieutenant General Grant would have been quite satisfied to remain in the position appointed him by President Abraham Lincoln.

The following are two posts that I have previously made on the subject:

RE: Ulysses S. Grant to be promoted -- Post #8
(12-27-2022 09:21 AM)Dave B Wrote:
In my opinion Grant was one of the most humble individuals I've ever read about. We could use more of that in 2023.

Grant afterward returned to the Blue Room, where Lincoln discussed with him the ceremony to be held next day. "Tomorrow at such time a you may arrange with the Sec[retary] of War, I desire to make to you a formal presentation of your commission as Lieut. Genl." With characteristic consideration, the president tried to make the occasion as easy as possible for the rather shy Grant: "I shall then make a very short speech to you, to which I desire you to reply, for an object; and that you may be properly prepared to do so I have written what I shall say -- only four sentences in all -- which I shall read from my MSS[*], as an example which you may follow and also read your reply, as you are perhaps not as much accustomed to speaking as I myself -- and I therefore give you what I shall say that you may consider it and form your reply." In that reply, Lincoln asked the general to incorporate two points: "1st To say something which shall prevent or obviate any jealousy of you from any of the other generals in the service, and secondly, something which shall put you on as good terms as possible with this Army of the Potomac. Now consider whether this may not be said to make it of some advantage; and if you see any objection whatever to doing it be under no restraint whatever in expressing that objection to the Secretary of War who will talk further with you about it."

(Abraham Lincoln: A Life, Vol. Two, page 630.)

It was President Lincoln's guidance that substantially informed Lieutenant General Grant's formal reply in accepting the Commission.

* - MSS is an abbreviation for manuscript, meaning written by hand rather than printed or typeset in any way.

And, in reference to your statement, Dave, that "In my opinion Grant was one of the most humble individuals I've ever read about," I agree.

And, there is this confirmation: The two men, who had not met before, greeted each other cordially, but, as Nicolay recorded "with that modest deference -- felt rather than expressed by word or action -- so appropriate to both." (Abraham Lincoln: A Life, Vol. Two, page 630.)


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At the ceremony the following day, Lincoln addressed the general formally: "The nation's appreciation of what you have done, and it's reliance upon you for what remains to do, in the existing great struggle, are now presented with this commission, constituting you Lieutenant General in the Army of the United States. With this high honor devolves upon you also, a corresponding responsibility. As the country herein trusts you, so, under God, it will sustain you. I scarcely need to add that what I here speak for the nation goes my own hearty personal concurrence. "

Grant replied: "Mr. President, I accept this commission with gratitude for the high honor conferred. With the aid of the noble armies that have fought on so many fields for our common country, it will be my earnest endeavor not to disappoint your expectations. I feel the full weight of the responsibilities now devolving on me, and I know that if they be met, it will be due to those armies, and, above all, to the favor of Providence which leads both nations and men." Grant had so hastily scribbled down his remarks that he could barely read them. Manifestly embarrassed, he stumbled his way through his delivery. Despite that problem, William O. Stoddard reported that the event "was simple, manly, dignified," worthy of the general and the president. There was no "pomp, no show, no vulgar ostentation."

(Abraham Lincoln: A Life, Vol. Two, pages 630-631.)

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