Trivia question

[Steve]

I don't know... but I loved the performance of the song in the clip.

[AussieMick]

Yes, she has a magnificent voice.

The language that she was singing has a connection to 1860 and Utica.

( I realise now that this question is similar to one that I used a few years back ... and there are at least 2 connections to Lincoln that I'll accept)

[Gene C]

I agree, Charlotte Church has a beautiful voice.
I am drawing these conclusions based upon the link you posted. Charlotte Church is from Wales. This is a patriotic song of the Welsh and later British.
The lyrics go back a long time and have changed some over the years.

Here is a version with English lyrics - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XfmYGFOKMg

Welsh voters for the most part went over to the new Republican Party and voted overwhelmingly for its 1860 presidential candidate Abraham Lincoln. Several items in the Lincoln Papers at the Library of Congress illustrate the very personal way the Welsh of New York State supported Lincoln, before and after his election.
From this web site - Upstate New Yok Welsh
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~nyunywh/upst...ncoln.html

[AussieMick]

You got it Gene. Well done.
Here's some more information

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/3974971.stm

and https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-21548773

"Abraham Lincoln's great, great grandfather, called John Morris, lived up in Bryngwyn," explains Eirian Roberts, whose farm in Ysbyty Ifan includes the now derelict farmhouse of Bryngwyn."
... John Morris' daughter, Ellen, emigrated to the United States with a group of Quakers, leaving Wales, it is believed, sometime in the first half of the 17th Century.
... While she was out there, she met Cadwaladr Evans and got married to him."

He came from relatively nearby, about 20 miles away in Bala, although the couple had not known each other before they both went to the US.

"They had a daughter called Sarah and she went on to marry John Hanks, and a daughter was born to them called Nancy, who became the mother of Abraham Lincoln."

[Gene C]

Which relative of Abraham Lincoln served time in Libby Prison?

[AussieMick]

John D. Johnston?

[Gene C]

Good guess, but not him.

I'll try to give you an obscure hint if no one guesses it right by this afternoon.

As an encouragement, The Prize Committee will be giving one years free membership to The Lincoln Discussion Symposium for the correct answer to this question.
This offer is not available in stores.

[Gene C]

Our person of interest volunteered to fight for the Union on June 9, 1863, and became a private three days later.
He was mustered out on Feb. 24, 1864. Unfortunately he was captured and held as a prisoner of war at Libby Prison.

[RJNorton]

Gene, do you know if the person has been previously mentioned on this forum?

[Gene C]

My second clue....to the best of my knowledge he has not been mentioned on this forum before

[Gene C]

Clue #3

Our person of interest served in the 117 Infantry Regiment of Indiana.
He was also a resident of Indiana, born (1842) and died there. (less than 70 miles from Lincoln's home in Indiana)
Married following the year he got out of the army. Married for 54 years they had 10 children

[AussieMick]

This person was a relative of President Lincoln? You said Abraham Lincoln.... perhaps not "the" Abraham Lincoln?

[Gene C]

"the Abraham Lincoln"

This is a tough one, there were not to many clues to give.
The answer is Warden Lincoln. I read a little about him in "Lincoln in Indiana" by J Edward Murr. The book is a reprint of articles written by Mr. Murr for the Indiana Magazine of History, Dec. 1917. Murr is writing about Lincoln's relatives in Indiana and Warden gets a couple of lines. I found it interesting and it just stuck with me.

https://archive.org/details/lincolninind...ew=theater

When I google searched his name, I found this on Find A Grave. It had a few photos and some family history of Warden.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/4943...en-lincoln

[Anita]

Excellent question with very informative links to the answer! As stated in Murr's article " Doubtless, had it been known by those in authority at the prison that he was a cousin of the Abolitionist in the White House, he would not have been granted his freedom." Warden Lincoln, with his Lincoln family resemblance, was indeed fortunate.

[Rob Wick]

Murr was a thorn in the side of Ida Tarbell for years. I explore this in the article I published in the Indiana Magazine of History. Here is the section.

"Tarbell’s most vocal critic in Indiana was J. Edward Murr, a Methodist minister. Born December 20, 1868, in Corydon, Indiana, Murr entered Depauw University in Greencastle in 1897 to study theology and was graduated in 1901. He served various churches throughout southern Indiana and later became superintendent of the Methodist Church district in that region. Murr’s interest in Lincoln was due, partially, to the accident of birth. “I chanced to have been born and reared in the general community where Josiah Lincoln, a brother of the President’s father lived and died. I thus personally knew the older Lincoln’s [sic] who were cousins to the President,” Murr wrote. Beginning in December of 1917 and running through June of 1918, Murr contributed a three-part series on Lincoln’s Indiana years to the Indiana Magazine of History, which was generally well received.

In January of 1920, Tarbell spoke in Evansville on “The Making of the World.” The Evansville Courier reported, citing Murr as its source, that during a visit to the region at the turn of the century, Tarbell was “worsted” in an encounter with the Lincoln family’s Gentryville neighbor, James Gentry, who lived in Rockport at the time of the newspaper report. As Murr told the story, he asked Gentry if he had ever met Tarbell. When Gentry curtly replied that he had, Murr asked, “And you didn’t think much of her?”
Gentry reportedly said he did not, adding, in the reporter’s imagined vernacular, “That woman came here with her preconceived ideas of Lincoln as a boy and attempted to tell me things I ought ter know about Abe.” Murr then told the reporter that Gentry grew so angry with Tarbell that “he sent Ida Tarbell off the premises with a curse.”

Gentry’s descendants refuted Murr’s claim in a follow-up article discussing Tarbell’s visit, claiming Gentry would never curse at a woman. Another family member claimed to have witnessed the encounter between Tarbell and Gentry, noting that when Tarbell left, the two shook hands and Gentry invited her to come back. When she left, Gentry reportedly said, “There’s a mighty smart woman.”

That any of this ever happened is questionable, given the fact that Tarbell never stopped in southwestern Indiana while researching her McClure’s articles. In the article detailing her 1920 visit to Evansville, Tarbell told the Courier reporter that, while she didn’t visit Lincoln City, she did stay for “several days” in Rockport and interviewed a number of people, and that she sent her Illinois researcher J. McCan Davis into the region to do research. Tarbell never mentioned her Indiana researcher, a Vincennes schoolteacher named Anna C. O’Flynn. Whether Tarbell felt it necessary to embellish her early travels due to Murr’s allegations, or she was misquoted by the reporter, neither corresponds with what Tarbell recorded in her papers several months later.

In August of 1920, in the Footsteps memorandum, Tarbell wrote that she never spent a day in Spencer County. “I never stopped in Spencer County myself. A. Hoosier [O’Flynn’s nom de plume] had sent us her manuscript. She was there one day, and she made notes that seemed to me desirable.” Tarbell noted that because of Herndon’s previous work, a trip by her would have been unnecessary. One is left to wonder, as Tarbell later did, if it was O’Flynn who visited Gentry and who was sent “off the premises with a curse,” if, indeed, it ever happened."

Best
Rob