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In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
04-23-2021, 03:13 PM
Post: #166
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
David, this is silly, even for you.

Illegally merging two apartments is nowhere near the same as ordering the execution of 38 people.

Give it a rest.

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04-23-2021, 06:00 PM
Post: #167
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
Rob, I disagree.
It appears that she knew and willingly broke the law.
She could have complied with the city zoning and construction laws, but chose not to.
She and her husband appear to have committed fraud and depriving the city of the revised property tax on the building. They were greedy. Shame, shame.

You are right, that is nothing compared to confirming the order to execute 38 people convicted and most, if not all confessed to the murder and rape of women and children. Angry
Lincoln was upholding the law, and actually helped save the lives of several other Indians also on trial.

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04-23-2021, 06:47 PM
Post: #168
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
Quote:most, if not all confessed to the murder and rape of women and children.

Can you provide a source for the claim that the 38 confessed?

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04-24-2021, 09:32 AM
Post: #169
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
(04-23-2021 03:13 PM)Rob Wick Wrote:  David, this is silly, even for you.

Illegally merging two apartments is nowhere near the same as ordering the execution of 38 people.

Give it a rest.

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Rob, please state the source of your claim that I said: “Illegally merging two apartments is [] near the same as ordering the execution of 38 people.”

My post (in my exact words), to which you responded, reads as follows:

"Woke People" who themselves live in "glass houses of character" should not be throwing stones at President Abraham Lincoln's character and reputation. That's my opinion.

Obviously, you have been writing as MY words YOUR thoughts.

Rob, this is silly, even for you. Please stop doing this; it offends me.

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04-24-2021, 11:44 AM (This post was last modified: 04-24-2021 12:18 PM by Rob Wick.)
Post: #170
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
David,

I am through with this (I know I keep saying that, but this time is for real). You are free to post whatever you want on this subject. I wish you well on your run for the board.

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Rob

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04-24-2021, 02:13 PM (This post was last modified: 04-24-2021 02:19 PM by Gene C.)
Post: #171
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
(04-23-2021 06:47 PM)Rob Wick Wrote:  Can you provide a source for the claim that the 38 confessed?

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I'll try. I can't remember where I read it. It's not so much of a confession, but bragging about the atrocities they committed.
I have read "38 Nooses" by Scott Berg, "9 Years Among the Indians 1870-1879" by Herman Lehmann, and "Captivity by the Sioux" by Fanny Kelly as well as several articles about Lincoln and the Dakota War.

I do remember reading Herman Lehmann and Fanny Kelly specifically mentioning the blood thirsty actions of the Sioux against whites and other Indians. Herman saw them first hand and was forced to go on raids with them and mentions many of the raiders liked to brag about the murders and other atrocities they committed. It will take me a while to find the specific reference to the Dakota 38. If any one else knows of a specific reference, please chime in.

"9 Years Among the Indians" and "Captivity by the Sioux" are available on line.

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04-24-2021, 03:55 PM
Post: #172
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
Gene,

Since I'm answering you, I can still comment here. I would caution you against using the word "atrocities" simply because it is a value judgement on your part, and regardless of Lincoln's actions a very strong case can be made that the Dakotas were goaded into fighting by the white residents of the area. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

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04-24-2021, 06:47 PM (This post was last modified: 04-25-2021 09:07 AM by Gene C.)
Post: #173
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
(04-23-2021 06:47 PM)Rob Wick Wrote:  Can you provide a source for the claim that the 38 confessed?

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I may have overstated that convicted Indians confessed, but I have found several references that those who were hung admitted to participating in the raids where women and children were murdered. I'm still looking....

As to your latest post, I have deleted my previous response. It's to easy to say something that can be misunderstood.

We're friends and I don't want to make that mistake.
(not that it's a mistake that we are friends)

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04-25-2021, 01:52 PM
Post: #174
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
OK Rob, I may be misinterpreting and making an assumption of your earlier post, but if I am, others may be also.
It appears to me you are rationalizing the Indians bad behavior.
There seems to be a lot of that going on in today's society.
One group has to stoop to the level of the one who has wronged them. That doesn't seem to work very well.

Romans 12:17-21
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=NIV

This isn't difficult to understand. What we understand is sometimes difficult.

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04-25-2021, 01:59 PM
Post: #175
RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
Gene,

I am not rationalizing anyone's "bad behavior" but rather am attempting to explain and understand it. It's equally simple to understand that if you beat a child constantly then that child is going to grow up to either beat their children or be scared of their own shadow. It seems to me that it boils down to the fact that white settlers did not deserve to die, but then again neither did the Native Americans there, or throughout our bloodied history.

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05-02-2021, 04:25 PM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2021 04:36 PM by David Lockmiller.)
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RE: In San Francisco, Virus is Contained but Schools Are Still Closed
Petitioners’ Reply:

Attorneys for Petitioners, Paul Scott, Lani Remick, and Laurence Tribe, write:

Only this lawsuit removed that resolution from the official record of the San Francisco Board of Education and precluded the Board from taking further actions predicated on the resolution. [Page 5, lines 1-2.]

The term “frivolous” means “totally and completely without merit or for the sole purpose of harassing an opposing party.” CCP § 128.5(a)(2). [Page 7, lines 10-11.] Petitioners would thus respectfully request that, in issuing its statement of decision in this matter, the Court set the public record straight on this point. The Court has sufficient briefing before it to state whether this action appears frivolous or filed in bad faith. Moreover, the Court has jurisdiction to make such a finding as part of its inherent and statutory power to control proceedings before it, including the false statements in the Repealing Resolution that was filed with the Court by Respondents. [Emphasis added in this post.] See e.g., In re Jackson (1985) 170 CA3d 773, 778 (outlining the court’s authority to exercise reasonable control over proceedings connected with the litigation before it); cf. CCP § 128.5 (permitting a court in any case to levy sanctions against parties who file frivolous or bad faith actions). [Page 7, lines 15-23.]

Based on the foregoing, Petitioners respectfully request that the Court a) hold that this action was not frivolous nor filed without proper purpose . . . . [Page 7, lines 25-26.]


The issues raised by the Board are important issues that merit public discussion, but such discussions will only be productive if handled in a forthright and transparent manner with proper notice and due process for all concerned. [Page 8, lines 3-5.]

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