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David Lockmiller · (This post was last modified: 12-12-2018 04:01 PM by David Lockmiller.)

(12-10-2018 05:30 PM)RJNorton Wrote: http://www.hellenicaworld.com/USA/Litera...coln2.html

Roger, thanks very much for this hyperlink.

Lincoln and the Snow Brothers case:

In the spring term of the Tazewell County Court in 1847, which at that time was held in the village of Tremont, I was detained as a witness an entire week. Lincoln was employed in several suits, and among them was one of Case vs. Snow Bros. The Snow Bros., as appeared in evidence (who were both minors), had purchased from an old Mr. Case what was then called a "prairie team," consisting of two or three yoke of oxen and prairie plow, giving therefor their joint note for some two hundred dollars; but when pay-day came refused to pay, pleading the minor act.

The note was placed in Lincoln's hands for collection. The suit was called and a jury impaneled. The Snow Bros, did not deny the note, but pleaded through their counsel that they were minors, and that Mr. Case knew they were at the time of the contract and conveyance. All this was admitted by Mr. Lincoln, with his peculiar phrase, "Yes, gentlemen, I reckon that's so." The minor act was read and its validity admitted in the same manner. The counsel of the defendants were permitted without question to state all these things to the jury, and to show by the statute that these minors could not be held responsible for their contract. By this time you may well suppose that I began to be uneasy. "What!" thought I, "this good old man, who confided in these boys, to be wronged in this way, and even his counsel, Mr. Lincoln, to submit in silence!" I looked at the court, Judge Treat, but could read nothing in his calm and dignified demeanor.

Just then, Mr. Lincoln slowly got up, and in his strange, half-erect attitude and clear, quiet accent began: "Gentlemen of the Jury, are you willing to allow these boys to begin life with this shame and disgrace attached to their character? If you are, I am not. The best judge of human character that ever wrote has left these immortal words for all of us to ponder":

"Good name in man or woman, dear my lord,
Is the immediate jewel of their souls:
Who steals my purse steals trash;'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine,'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed."

Then rising to his full height, and looking upon the defendants with the compassion of a brother, his long right arm extended toward the opposing counsel, he continued: "Gentlemen of the jury, these poor innocent boys would never have attempted this low villainy had it not been for the advice of these lawyers." Then for a few minutes he showed how even the noble science of law may be prostituted. With a scathing rebuke to those who thus belittle their profession, he concluded: "And now, gentlemen, you have it in your power to set these boys right before the world."

He plead for the young men only; I think he did not mention his client's name. The jury, without leaving their seats, decided that the defendants must pay the debt; and the latter, after hearing Lincoln, were as willing to pay it as the jury were determined they should. I think the entire argument lasted not above five minutes.

—George W. Minier, statement, Apr. 10, 1882.

[Edited for clarity and easier reading.]

AussieMick · (This post was last modified: 12-30-2018 05:22 PM by AussieMick.)

Can you identify a connection between this person and Lincoln ?

Rob Wick · 12-30-2018, 09:12 PM

For some reason I can't get the picture to enlarge. When you say connection, did the subject live at the same time as Lincoln or was he alive later?

Best
Rob

AussieMick · (This post was last modified: 12-30-2018 10:48 PM by AussieMick.)

This person (now dead) leads to another person (alive) who has a connection to Lincoln.

To enlarge you can try resting the cursor on the image and left 'click'

Not Australian

Steve · 12-31-2018, 04:47 AM

The man in the photo is British poet, Wilfred Owen. My guess for a living person with connections to both Lincoln and Owen, is actor Daniel Day-Lewis who played Lincoln in the movie Lincoln and who is also a vice-president of the Wilfred Owen Association.

AussieMick · (This post was last modified: 12-31-2018 06:21 AM by AussieMick.)

Aww !! Steve! I thought that I'd be dragging this out for hours. I must admit that I'd be struggling for hints, so thanks.

Yes, yes. Kudos and congrats. Its Wilfred Owen, one of Britain's best war-time poets. Killed 7 days before the Armistice.
Most well known poems Anthem For Doomed Youth, Dulce et Decorum Est.
(But I think you already knew that , Steve)

Daniel Day-Lewis ' father was poet laureate (chosen to be Britain's best living poet) and he edited a collection of Owen's poems. You had the Wilfred Owen Association link, too. And of course yes Daniel Day-Lewis played Lincoln in the film.

AussieMick · 07-13-2019, 01:34 AM

'Everything is connected to everything else'
How is Archie Bunker's Place (and All In The Family) connected to Abraham Lincoln?

Steve · 07-13-2019, 02:12 AM

Smithsonian exhibits?

AussieMick · 07-13-2019, 02:14 AM

Nope, Steve (but full marks on being awake and prompt 'answer').
A clue? The connection is transatlantic.

Steve · 07-13-2019, 02:55 AM

(07-13-2019 02:14 AM)AussieMick Wrote: Nope, Steve (but full marks on being awake and prompt 'answer').
A clue? The connection is transatlantic.

Well, barely awake.

RJNorton · 07-13-2019, 03:41 AM

Is there a connection to Samuel F. B. Morse?

AussieMick · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2019 04:27 AM by AussieMick.)

No, sorry Roger.

Another clue ... if I said a former, fairly recent (... still living), Prime Minister of UK was also connected in some way to those TV series ... well, that might or might not help.

AussieMick · 07-13-2019, 07:11 AM

The connection to the TV series is not so much Abraham Lincoln as to JW Booth.
( so, its 'Archie Bunker's Place' ... JW Booth)

Susan Higginbotham · 07-13-2019, 08:01 AM

"All in the Family" was based on a British sitcom called "Til Death Us Do Part," which had Anthony Booth in a starring role. Booth was Tony Blair's father-in-law. Haven't found a connection with JW Booth except for the name, though.

L Verge · 07-13-2019, 09:50 AM

(07-13-2019 08:01 AM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote: "All in the Family" was based on a British sitcom called "Til Death Us Do Part," which had Anthony Booth in a starring role. Booth was Tony Blair's father-in-law. Haven't found a connection with JW Booth except for the name, though.

If I remember correctly, Booth experts traced the Blair claim of a relationship to JWB and found that the claim was made through a brother (?) of Junius Sr. who had died at too early of an age to father any children.