Who is this person?

[AussieMick]

(01-13-2018 05:36 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  Kudos, Michael! Indeed the lady is Mary Harlan Lincoln. But the man is not Larkin Mead. Mead, the designer of the Lincoln Tomb, is the man who created the two sculpted portraits. So who is the man in the initially posted image?

Must be Robert Todd Lincoln, her husband ( I was obviously too quick to gloat)

[RJNorton]

Congratulations, Michael! You can gloat now. Yes, in 1871 Larkin Mead made these sculpted portraits of Robert Lincoln and Mary Harlan Lincoln. According to my source, 3 sets of the original sculptures were produced, and the photographs of the sculptures were made by the Ulke Brothers of Washington.

SOURCE: p. 121 of The Lincoln Family Album by Mark Neely and Harold Holzer.

[L Verge]

Well, that's why the man looked familiar to me. I had just been on the Family Album online searching for something else. My mind must have registered that frame, but forgotten to read the caption. Sigh, old age. Reminds me of student days when one would take a test, know exactly where the answer to a question was in the textbook, but could not pull it from the page and write it in the test.

[Eva Elisabeth]

Wow, I would never have guessed him (so long ago that I picture-"read" that book). The sculptor certainly did a good job obeying Robert's desire for disguise.

[L Verge]

Roger - Without my having to read the Album, does it state (or do you know) where the original sculptures are now?

I would hope that they are at ALPLM or at least Hildene. If the latter, Yankee Joe is probably going to tell me that he touched them on the wall in the same room where he sat on the couch...!?! (Private joke, folks, but the old-timers on this forum will know what I'm teasing about.)

[RJNorton]

Laurie, it does not say. I will try to find out; if I find any information, I shall post.

[RJNorton]

This is a question Laurie sent me.

Who is this man?

[AussieMick]

(The below is in response to Laurie's query about why Mary and Abraham were married in a Presbyterian service rather than Episcopalian ... Dunno how I managed to get it so out of order)

Laurie ... I dont know the answer.
But ... as I previously mentioned somewhere ... there does seem to have been an 'affiliation' to Mary's Scottish heritage. The names of some of the children have distinct Scottish links. William Wallace. Well I mean ... anyone remember the film Braveheart? William Wallace? And then there's Robert ( check out Robert The Bruce). Ok, Edward was the name of the hated English king Edward I. Not Edward the confessor ... he was earlier. Im talking the "Hammer of the Scots" Edward I, also called Longshanks, who captured William Wallace.

I think Edward was named after a friend of the family. Thomas is of course a common enough name (it was my Dad's ... an Irishman).

My point is that the Scots and Presbyterianism are almost synonyms (providing you're not a Glasgow Celtic supporter).

[Anita]

(01-19-2018 06:58 PM)RJNorton Wrote:  This is a question Laurie sent me.

Who is this man?

It's Duff Green. Because of recent post about him by Laurie I took a chance and Googled him .

Check this out. http://www.duffgreenmansion.com

Experience the American Civil War
at the Duff Green Mansion

Step into the Civil war era by experiencing the Duff Green Mansion. Learn what daily life was like for Duff and Mary Lake Green as they married, built their home and she gave birth to their first child in a civil war cave.

You can tour their home from the ballroom danced in by Jefferson Davis and Ulysses S. Grant to sitting by a fireplace in the former kitchen turned operating room where you might see the Confederate soldier ghost.

You can sleep in an antique bed surrounded by period furniture and you can visit the site of the civil war cave on the property.

Experience the civil war at the Duff Green Mansion.

Visit us for a tour, spend the night or host your next event in the home or on the secluded patio surrounding the swimming pool.

[Gene C]

That's a house with a lot of stories to tell.

[L Verge]

(01-19-2018 08:27 PM)Anita Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:58 PM)RJNorton Wrote:  This is a question Laurie sent me.

Who is this man?

It's Duff Green. Because of recent post about him by Laurie I took a chance and Googled him .

Check this out. http://www.duffgreenmansion.com

Experience the American Civil War
at the Duff Green Mansion

Step into the Civil war era by experiencing the Duff Green Mansion. Learn what daily life was like for Duff and Mary Lake Green as they married, built their home and she gave birth to their first child in a civil war cave.

You can tour their home from the ballroom danced in by Jefferson Davis and Ulysses S. Grant to sitting by a fireplace in the former kitchen turned operating room where you might see the Confederate soldier ghost.

You can sleep in an antique bed surrounded by period furniture and you can visit the site of the civil war cave on the property.

Experience the civil war at the Duff Green Mansion.

Visit us for a tour, spend the night or host your next event in the home or on the secluded patio surrounding the swimming pool.

Absolutely correct, both Anita and Gene. Anita, thanks for doing what I hoped everyone would do after I posted about Duff Green. You saved me from having to come up with clues! BTW: There is something about that photo that reminds me of the statue in D.C. (in the front of the LOC?) of the god, Neptune, with his trident in hand...

As for the mansion, its use during the war reminds me of the Franklin, Tennessee, mansion that was used as a hospital and still retains the bloodstained floors. (I can never remember its name, but it is the centerpiece of the historical novel The Last Confederate Widow).

Carnton Plantation is the name of the historic site in Franklin, Tennessee. See history below.

I am not a devotee of historical novels, but I do enjoy ones that are well-written. When I read the book about this family, and especially their war and post-war experiences, I actually cried. Someday, I would love to visit the site, if for nothing else than to pay my respects at the Confederate cemetery on its grounds that the plantation mistress created by reburying the dead who had been hastily buried on the battlefield.

Battle of Franklin (excerpt from Wiki..)

John McGavock was 46 when the Civil War began and was too old to enlist, but he helped outfit and organize groups of Southern soldiers. Carrie contributed to the war effort by sewing uniforms for relatives and friends. As the war got closer to home, John McGavock sent most of his slaves to Louisiana so they wouldn’t be taken by Federal authorities. When Federal troops took control of Middle Tennessee, and learned of the McGavocks’ efforts to aid the South, they took thousands of dollars of grain, horses, cattle and timber from the plantation.

On November 30, 1864, Carnton became the largest temporary field hospital for tending the wounded and dying after the Battle of Franklin. The home was situated less than one mile (1.6 km) from the location of the activity that took place on the far Union Eastern flank. More than 1,750 Confederates lost their lives at Franklin, and on Carnton's back porch four Confederate generals’ bodies—Patrick Cleburne, John Adams, Otho F. Strahl and Hiram B. Granbury—were laid out for a few hours after the battle.

The McGavocks tended for as many as 300 soldiers inside Carnton alone, though at least 150 died the first night. Hundreds more were spread throughout the rest of the property, including in the slave cabins. Carrie McGavock donated food, clothing and supplies to care for the wounded and dying, and witnesses say her dress was blood soaked at the bottom. Carrie's two children, Hattie (then nine) and son Winder (then seven) witnessed the carnage as well, providing some basic assistance to the surgeons.


McGavock Cemetery with Carnton in background (photo would not transfer)

After the battle, on December 1, Union forces under Maj. Gen. John M. Schofield evacuated toward Nashville, leaving all the dead, including several hundred Union soldiers, and the wounded who were unable to walk as well. The residents of Franklin were then faced with the task of burying over 2,500 soldiers, most of those being Confederates. According to George Cowan's "History of McGavock Confederate Cemetery," "All of the Confederate dead were buried as nearly as possible by states, close to where they fell, and wooden headboards were placed at each grave with the name, company and regiment painted or written on them."[5] Many of the Union soldiers were re-interred in 1865 at the Stones River National Cemetery in Murfreesboro, Tennessee.

Over the next eighteen months many of the markers were either rotting or used for firewood, and the writing on the boards was disappearing. To preserve the graves, John and Carrie McGavock donated 2 acres (8,100 m2) of their property to be designated as an area for the Confederate dead to be re-interred. The citizens of Franklin raised the funding and the soldiers were exhumed and reburied in the McGavock Confederate Cemetery for the sum of $5.00 per soldier. A team of individuals led by George Cuppett took responsibility for the reburial operation of 1,481 soldiers, and one civilian, Marcellus Cuppett, George's brother who had died during the process of the reburials, in the spring of 1866. The original names and identities of the soldiers were recorded in a cemetery record book by Cuppett, and the book fell into the watchful hands of Carrie McGavock after the reinterments.

After the war, McGavock continued to farm Carnton under sharecropping arrangements with former slaves until his death in 1893.

20th century

Carrie McGavock managed the maintenance of the cemetery with African-American workers for 41 years until her death in 1905. A prayer in the Confederate Veteran magazine mentioned Carrie McGavock in 1905.

P.S. Some historians consider the carnage and strange tactics at the Battle of Franklin comparable to Pickett's Charge.

[RJNorton]

Who are these two people?

[Anita]

Did Lincoln know them and if so from New Salem or Springfield?

[L Verge]

(01-20-2018 02:15 PM)L Verge Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 08:27 PM)Anita Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:58 PM)RJNorton Wrote:  This is a question Laurie sent me.

Who is this man?

It's Duff Green. Because of recent post about him by Laurie I took a chance and Googled him .

Check this out. http://www.duffgreenmansion.com

Experience the American Civil War
at the Duff Green Mansion

Step into the Civil war era by experiencing the Duff Green Mansion. Learn what daily life was like for Duff and Mary Lake Green as they married, built their home and she gave birth to their first child in a civil war cave.

You can tour their home from the ballroom danced in by Jefferson Davis and Ulysses S. Grant to sitting by a fireplace in the former kitchen turned operating room where you might see the Confederate soldier ghost.

You can sleep in an antique bed surrounded by period furniture and you can visit the site of the civil war cave on the property.

Experience the civil war at the Duff Green Mansion.

Visit us for a tour, spend the night or host your next event in the home or on the secluded patio surrounding the swimming pool.

Absolutely correct, both Anita and Gene. Anita, thanks for doing what I hoped everyone would do after I posted about Duff Green. You saved me from having to come up with clues! BTW: There is something about that photo that reminds me of the statue in D.C. (in the front of the LOC?) of the god, Neptune, with his trident in hand...

As for the mansion, its use during the war reminds me of the Franklin, Tennessee, mansion that was used as a hospital and still retains the bloodstained floors. (I can never remember its name, but it is the centerpiece of the historical novel The Last Confederate Widow).

Carnton Plantation is the name of the historic site in Franklin, Tennessee. See history below.

I am not a devotee of historical novels, but I do enjoy ones that are well-written. When I read the book about this family, and especially their war and post-war experiences, I actually cried. Someday, I would love to visit the site, if for nothing else than to pay my respects at the Confederate cemetery on its grounds that the plantation mistress created by reburying the dead who had been hastily buried on the battlefield.

Battle of Franklin (excerpt from Wiki..)

John McGavock was 46 when the Civil War began and was too old to enlist, but he helped outfit and organize groups of Southern soldiers. Carrie contributed to the war effort by sewing uniforms for relatives and friends. As the war got closer to home, John McGavock sent most of his slaves to Louisiana so they wouldn’t be taken by Federal authorities. When Federal troops took control of Middle Tennessee, and learned of the McGavocks’ efforts to aid the South, they took thousands of dollars of grain, horses, cattle and timber from the plantation.

On November 30, 1864, Carnton became the largest temporary field hospital for tending the wounded and dying after the Battle of Franklin. The home was situated less than one mile (1.6 km) from the location of the activity that took place on the far Union Eastern flank. More than 1,750 Confederates lost their lives at Franklin, and on Carnton's back porch four Confederate generals’ bodies—Patrick Cleburne, John Adams, Otho F. Strahl and Hiram B. Granbury—were laid out for a few hours after the battle.

The McGavocks tended for as many as 300 soldiers inside Carnton alone, though at least 150 died the first night. Hundreds more were spread throughout the rest of the property, including in the slave cabins. Carrie McGavock donated food, clothing and supplies to care for the wounded and dying, and witnesses say her dress was blood soaked at the bottom. Carrie's two children, Hattie (then nine) and son Winder (then seven) witnessed the carnage as well, providing some basic assistance to the surgeons.


McGavock Cemetery with Carnton in background (photo would not transfer)

After the battle, on December 1, Union forces under Maj. Gen. John M. Schofield evacuated toward Nashville, leaving all the dead, including several hundred Union soldiers, and the wounded who were unable to walk as well. The residents of Franklin were then faced with the task of burying over 2,500 soldiers, most of those being Confederates. According to George Cowan's "History of McGavock Confederate Cemetery," "All of the Confederate dead were buried as nearly as possible by states, close to where they fell, and wooden headboards were placed at each grave with the name, company and regiment painted or written on them."[5] Many of the Union soldiers were re-interred in 1865 at the Stones River National Cemetery in Murfreesboro, Tennessee.

Over the next eighteen months many of the markers were either rotting or used for firewood, and the writing on the boards was disappearing. To preserve the graves, John and Carrie McGavock donated 2 acres (8,100 m2) of their property to be designated as an area for the Confederate dead to be re-interred. The citizens of Franklin raised the funding and the soldiers were exhumed and reburied in the McGavock Confederate Cemetery for the sum of $5.00 per soldier. A team of individuals led by George Cuppett took responsibility for the reburial operation of 1,481 soldiers, and one civilian, Marcellus Cuppett, George's brother who had died during the process of the reburials, in the spring of 1866. The original names and identities of the soldiers were recorded in a cemetery record book by Cuppett, and the book fell into the watchful hands of Carrie McGavock after the reinterments.

After the war, McGavock continued to farm Carnton under sharecropping arrangements with former slaves until his death in 1893.

20th century

Carrie McGavock managed the maintenance of the cemetery with African-American workers for 41 years until her death in 1905. A prayer in the Confederate Veteran magazine mentioned Carrie McGavock in 1905.

P.S. Some historians consider the carnage and strange tactics at the Battle of Franklin comparable to Pickett's Charge.

I apologize for giving an incorrect title to the book about this. The correct title is Widow of the South, written by Robert Hicks in 2005.

---

(01-20-2018 03:48 PM)RJNorton Wrote:  Who are these two people?

Any chance that they are somehow related to the story of the Battle of Franklin?

[RJNorton]

(01-20-2018 07:12 PM)Anita Wrote:  Did Lincoln know them and if so from New Salem or Springfield?

Both Mary and Abraham knew these people. This happened during their Springfield days.

(01-20-2018 07:57 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Any chance that they are somehow related to the story of the Battle of Franklin?

No, these folks are not connected to the story of the Battle of Franklin.