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12-13-2014, 08:12 PM,
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PaigeBooth
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RE: The bullet that killed Lincoln
(12-12-2014, 08:09 PM)Jim Garrett Wrote: (12-12-2014, 03:18 PM)RJNorton Wrote: (12-12-2014, 11:37 AM)Jim Garrett Wrote: It is a .42 calibre handmade lead ball.
Jim, I can't find the current page, but Ford's Theatre used to have a page in which it was claimed the bullet was .44 calibre. Is this incorrect?
Please see the first sentence here. Thanks. I believe that is incorrect. Not that I, have had an opportunity to measure it, but the .42 would make sense with the wadding.
I have to agree with, Jim. It has been my understanding the bullet was a .42 caliber and the gun was a .44. Page 449 of American Brutus says the following quote:
"The ball was often described as .41 caliber.......It is now too corroded for an accurate measurement, but a recent examination by the FBI laboratory showed it to be consistent with a .41 caliber ball typically used in the .44 caliber weapon."
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12-13-2014, 09:18 PM,
(This post was last modified: 12-13-2014, 09:20 PM by Wesley Harris.)
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Wesley Harris
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RE: The bullet that killed Lincoln
(12-12-2014, 08:37 PM)L Verge Wrote: Wes Harris has done extensive studies on the weapons, etc. He's the expert to clarify this.
Jim's explanation is correct. Modern ammunition is made to fit modern weapons. In the 1860s, if you attempted to load a .44 ball in a .44 pistol, you'd have to use a hammer to pound it in. The ball had to be smaller than the barrel and since each ball was made individually by hand, sizes varied slightly. The smaller size also had to account for cloth or paper wadding that went in with every ball.
Since the ball was misshapen by striking Lincoln's head, an exact measurement of its original size is impossible. It has also corroded and oxidized over time so it's actually slightly smaller now than in 1865.
I think Dr. Lattimer was relying on earlier reports that it was Britannia metal. It was tested in the 70s by the Air Force--it's 98% lead.
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12-14-2014, 10:18 AM,
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RE: The bullet that killed Lincoln
(12-13-2014, 09:18 PM)Wesley Harris Wrote: (12-12-2014, 08:37 PM)L Verge Wrote: Wes Harris has done extensive studies on the weapons, etc. He's the expert to clarify this.
Jim's explanation is correct. Modern ammunition is made to fit modern weapons. In the 1860s, if you attempted to load a .44 ball in a .44 pistol, you'd have to use a hammer to pound it in. The ball had to be smaller than the barrel and since each ball was made individually by hand, sizes varied slightly. The smaller size also had to account for cloth or paper wadding that went in with every ball.
Since the ball was misshapen by striking Lincoln's head, an exact measurement of its original size is impossible. It has also corroded and oxidized over time so it's actually slightly smaller now than in 1865.
I think Dr. Lattimer was relying on earlier reports that it was Britannia metal. It was tested in the 70s by the Air Force--it's 98% lead.
Wes: thanks for that clarification regarding Dr. Lattimer. I've certainly enjoyed his work over the years.
Bill Nash
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12-17-2014, 11:23 PM,
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Wesley Harris
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RE: The bullet that killed Lincoln
(12-17-2014, 11:08 PM)Gene C Wrote: Can you tell us more about the conclusions called into ?
For one, he concluded Booth could not have shot himself in Garrett's barn. While I don't think he did, others have shown that he could have physically done it.
For another, he possessed a knife that he believed to be Lewis Powell's. He was unaware that Powell's knife is in the Huntington Library in California.
For another, his conclusions on why Lewis Powell's pistol failed to fire are incorrect.
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01-15-2015, 06:25 AM,
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Crowza
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RE: The bullet that killed Lincoln
(12-13-2014, 09:18 PM)Wesley Harris Wrote: (12-12-2014, 08:37 PM)L Verge Wrote: Wes Harris has done extensive studies on the weapons, etc. He's the expert to clarify this.
Jim's explanation is correct. Modern ammunition is made to fit modern weapons. In the 1860s, if you attempted to load a .44 ball in a .44 pistol, you'd have to use a hammer to pound it in. The ball had to be smaller than the barrel and since each ball was made individually by hand, sizes varied slightly. The smaller size also had to account for cloth or paper wadding that went in with every ball.
Since the ball was misshapen by striking Lincoln's head, an exact measurement of its original size is impossible. It has also corroded and oxidized over time so it's actually slightly smaller now than in 1865.
I think Dr. Lattimer was relying on earlier reports that it was Britannia metal. It was tested in the 70s by the Air Force--it's 98% lead.
Wesley,
While I agree that would make sense with a smoothbore firearm, a rifled firearm would require the bullet to come into contact with all sides of the interior barrel in order to 'spin' the bullet due to the rifling. We know that Booth's Derringer had unique rifling since the twist is generally accepted as being created by a left handed gunsmith. Also, you can see the rifling from the photos in the Library of Congress.
Because of that, I would assume that the bullet mold that came with the gun would be .44 or .45 caliber to take advantage of the rifling. Sure, it would make it harder to load than a smaller caliber bullet, but certainly not impossible due to the soft nature of lead. As a side note, I have always read the bullet was round, so that would discount the use of a miniè style bullet that would seat the bullet into the rifling (which wouldn't make sense anyway).
The use of a patch is a great idea in a revolver like a 1860 Army Colt or a 1858 Remington, due to helping keep the gun clean and clear for your next shot. However, in a single shot pistol, it would not be an absolute requirement, since you have no follow up shots and no risk of chain fire. I agree that it certainly would make sense to use a wad if the caliber was smaller than the barrel, to help keep the bullet in place.
I'm not saying that any of the above is proof of the ball being any specific size (and is probably impossible to determine at this point). Whether or not he used a patch is impossible to say. I do believe the mold that came with the gun should have been .44 or .45 simply due to the rifling. Otherwise, the gun might as well be a smoothbore, because using a smaller caliber bullet would render the rifling a moot point. Of course, just because I believe the bullet should have been .44 or .45 does not mean that was the caliber he used.
I'm open to having my mind changed, but I don't see any inconsistency with any museum claiming was a .44 caliber bullet.
Ed
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