Decapitation of the Union

[John Fazio]

(09-20-2015 01:19 PM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 06:27 AM)John Fazio Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 06:21 AM)HerbS Wrote:  I have been to Italy and loved it John! I grew up in an Italian neighborhood in Rochester,NY and I was the only German there! Good times had by all!

Herb:

Thanks. And thank God the war is 70 years old-- old enough for everything to be forgiven. Half the tourists are German and half of these bring their dogs with them, a good opening for conversation. Guess what? This will really shock you! They are just like everyone else! I am convinced that war is a form of insanity.

John

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(09-19-2015 10:59 AM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  While I don't agree with all conclusions I, too, say kudos to the research and appreciate the elaborate compilation and wealth of sources and thoughts on all topics/keywords assassination.

Eva:

Your last message did not come through. Please give it another go.

John

John - Since the book this is "chaptered" in topics and questions, like the forum, one can find all important accounts, evidence, arguments etc. to consider on a specific/unsolved question neatly and thoroughly compiled. (Do I make sense?)

70 years - that is the longest period of peace in "core" Europe ever in written history!

PS: I am not sure what it means to be just like everyone else - is that positive or negative (as for me)? And why is it shocking to the everyones?

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(09-20-2015 11:44 AM)Wild Bill Wrote:  Wasn't some or all of this area once Austrian?

The northern tip of Lake Garda (Gardasee) until 1918.

Eva:

In answer to "Do I make sense", I would say "I think so, if you are saying what I think you are saying".

Your comment about 70 years being the longest period of peace in core European history is well taken. I don't know European history well enough--even the last 2,000 years--to affirm the statement absolutely, but my sense is that it is true, and this despite the Balkan conflicts of the 90's and the conflict in the Ukraine. Call it the Pax Americana, which began in 1945 with the replacement of dictatorships in Italy, Germany and Japan with democracies. In Italy the process actually began in 1943 when the Bagdolio government replaced Mussolini, with the help of the Allied armies and the Italian partisans. The latter were very instrumental in driving the Nazis from Italy. They were also very instrumental in saving Jews. Italy lost about 8,000 Jews to the Nazis, but saved about 85,000.

When I said (to Herb) that it would shock him, I was being facetious. I'm sure he understood that.The beginning of wisdom begins with the recognition of the universality of human nature and the distinction between human behavior, which changes according to circumstance, experience, tradition, climate, geography, etc., and human nature, which is immutable. These two basic truths, from which all other truths flow, are neither positive nor negative; they just are.

John

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(09-20-2015 11:44 AM)Wild Bill Wrote:  Wasn't some or all of this area once Austrian? They lost some of it fighting Napoleon and the rest by Italy's changing sides to the Allies in WWI?

He knows not war who has not fought the Germans--British army saying

Wild Bill:

Yes, much of northern Italy was Austrian, particularly the Tyrol, the area around Trento and Bolzano, before WWI. All of the "White War" between Italy and the Austro -Hungarian Empire was fought on land claimed by both countries, along the Isonzo and Piave Rivers. After terrible losses on both sides, Italy finally prevailed with two major victories under General Armando Diaz--the battles of the Piave River and Vittorio Veneto. Diaz had replaced General Cadorno, who was sacked after the defeat at Caporetto. Interestingly, the defeat of the Austro-Hungarians was so decisive that Generals Ludendorff and von Hindenberg were persuaded that it was time to throw in the towel on the western front, thus ending the war. In the Tyrol, most of the people speak both Italian and German and many of the signs, both business and official, are in German. When we were on Maggiore, we ran into a group of Italians who were wearing lederhose and playing oompah music. I asked them if they were from Germany. They said "no", they were from Trento and Bolzano, i.e. Italians of German (or Austrian) ancestry. I realize this information has nothing to do with the Civil War, but I thought I would pass it along anyway. We'll get back to the war soon enough.

The British Army saying is obviously born of experience. The Germans have always fought very well. Arminius (the Germans call him Herman) even defeated the Roman legions under Varus in A.D. 9, thereby assuring that Germany, alone among the western European countries, and some eastern European ones too, would never be Romanized. Her language has no Latin in it.

John