(04-15-2021 08:12 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 08:06 PM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  You may recall there was some confusion as to the right leg being mentioned by those on the Montauk,

Steve, please correct me if I am misstating something here. You used the phrase "by those on the Montauk." To me this implies there were multiple folks on the Montauk who said "right leg." My memory is as follows: it was only one single man, Dr. John Frederick May, who mistakenly noted it was Booth's right leg that was broken, not his left.

Roger,

You are correct. Rather than look up who said it (Dr. May), which has led to other theorists claiming it wasn't JWB, I lazily just threw in the Montauk party. I believe there were also other claims and points in the pursuit of JWB where right or left was an issue, as in the examination of David E. George, the Enid mummy.

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I think the Ogarita descendants' non-match to the DNA results of the Booth family is significant. Hopefully, it (along with all the documentation placing John Wilkes Booth far away in Richmond VA during Ogarita's conception window) definitively puts this canard of Booth's children with Martha to rest. Also all the Ray Neff forgeries - ie the "Potter papers", the fake romance with Kate Scott, etc. - all revolve around that forged Booth will which also names Ogarita as Booth's daughter. Though the people that would gladly accept the Neff story and obviously forged documents may be impervious to DNA evidence.

Lisa Booth was one of the people who wanted to exhume the Booth graves in the 90's? I'm glad her family was able to get DNA results without the exhumation.

It's too bad Laura Ida Booth didn't have any descendants to test. Her line's results would've been the only one which were not predictable with reasonable certainty before the tests were even conducted. Laura really was the daughter of a John Wilkes Booth, just a different John Wilkes Booth who claimed he was born in 1848 in Massachussetts and was the (presumably illegitmate) son of Junius Brutus Booth Jr. Since this John Wilkes Booth abandoned Laura's family when she was really young, it's understandable why she thought he may have been the namesake assassin. It figures that the results I would like to see most are the ones that can't be provided!

(04-17-2021 02:00 AM)Steve Wrote:  I think the Ogarita descendants' non-match to the DNA results of the Booth family is significant. Hopefully, it (along with all the documentation placing John Wilkes Booth far away in Richmond VA during Ogarita's conception window) definitively puts this canard of Booth's children with Martha to rest. Also all the Ray Neff forgeries - ie the "Potter papers", the fake romance with Kate Scott, etc. - all revolve around that forged Booth will which also names Ogarita as Booth's daughter. Though the people that would gladly accept the Neff story and obviously forged documents may be impervious to DNA evidence.

Lisa Booth was one of the people who wanted to exhume the Booth graves in the 90's? I'm glad her family was able to get DNA results without the exhumation.

It's too bad Laura Ida Booth didn't have any descendants to test. Her line's results would've been the only one which were not predictable with reasonable certainty before the tests were even conducted. Laura really was the daughter of a John Wilkes Booth, just a different John Wilkes Booth who claimed he was born in 1848 in Massachussetts and was the (presumably illegitmate) son of Junius Brutus Booth Jr. Since this John Wilkes Booth abandoned Laura's family when she was really young, it's understandable why she thought he may have been the namesake assassin. It figures that the results I would like to see most are the ones that can't be provided!

Steve,

While I agree with everything you are saying there is still a gotcha, as I told you in an email. The Booth dna base is supported by Joanne Hulme; however, since nobody matched her, it is necessary to have a match for Joanne to either Lois Trebisacci or/and Anthony Barton "Tony" Booth. That would provide strength and support for the dna results. Joanne has a good paper trail, but sometimes there are unknown events to affect paper trails, as in my own dna. Dna doesn't lie, but sometimes results are not what we expect.

Steve Whitlock

(04-17-2021 02:12 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  

(04-17-2021 02:00 AM)Steve Wrote:  I think the Ogarita descendants' non-match to the DNA results of the Booth family is significant. Hopefully, it (along with all the documentation placing John Wilkes Booth far away in Richmond VA during Ogarita's conception window) definitively puts this canard of Booth's children with Martha to rest. Also all the Ray Neff forgeries - ie the "Potter papers", the fake romance with Kate Scott, etc. - all revolve around that forged Booth will which also names Ogarita as Booth's daughter. Though the people that would gladly accept the Neff story and obviously forged documents may be impervious to DNA evidence.

Lisa Booth was one of the people who wanted to exhume the Booth graves in the 90's? I'm glad her family was able to get DNA results without the exhumation.

It's too bad Laura Ida Booth didn't have any descendants to test. Her line's results would've been the only one which were not predictable with reasonable certainty before the tests were even conducted. Laura really was the daughter of a John Wilkes Booth, just a different John Wilkes Booth who claimed he was born in 1848 in Massachussetts and was the (presumably illegitmate) son of Junius Brutus Booth Jr. Since this John Wilkes Booth abandoned Laura's family when she was really young, it's understandable why she thought he may have been the namesake assassin. It figures that the results I would like to see most are the ones that can't be provided!

Steve,

While I agree with everything you are saying there is still a gotcha, as I told you in an email. The Booth dna base is supported by Joanne Hulme; however, since nobody matched her, it is necessary to have a match for Joanne to either Lois Trebisacci or/and Anthony Barton "Tony" Booth. That would provide strength and support for the dna results. Joanne has a good paper trail, but sometimes there are unknown events to affect paper trails, as in my own dna. Dna doesn't lie, but sometimes results are not what we expect.

Steve Whitlock

Steve,

Here is why Lisa Booth's dna doesn't match Joanne Hulme, or the Junius Brutus Booth line of JWB (Scroll to bottom and come up):

Sarah Brooks
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Sarah Brooks
Age: 16
Birth Year: abt 1844
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Georgia
Home in 1860: Beat 2, Shelby, Texas
Post Office: Shelbyville
Dwelling Number: 206
Family Number: 206
Attended School: Yes
Household Members Age
E H Brooks 48
Sarah Brooks 44
J B Brooks 28
Robt Brooks 23
Sarah Brooks 16 [m: Robert Booth]
Larisa Brooks 14
Will Brooks 13
Josethene Brooks 11
Maryeta Brooks 7
James Brooks 7
T J Brooks 2
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John Tapley Booth
in the U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
Name: John Tapley Booth
Gender: Male
Birth Place: GA
Birth Year: 1799
Spouse Name: Henrietta M Paul
Spouse Birth Year: 1806
Marriage Year: 1821
Marriage State: GA
Number Pages: 1
John T. Boothe
in the Georgia, U.S., Compiled Marriages, 1754-1850
Name: John T. Boothe
Spouse: Henrietta Paul
Marriage Date: 2 Jan 1821
Marriage County: Jones
Marriage State: Georgia
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Robert Booth
in the 1850 United States Federal Census
Name: Robert Booth
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1831
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1850: Shelby, Texas, USA
Occupation: Farmer
Industry: Agriculture
Line Number: 6
Dwelling Number: 160
Family Number: 160
Household Members Age
John T Booth 51 [John Tapley Boothb: 1799 GA]
Henrietta Booth 49 [Henrietta M. (Paul) Booth]
Robert Booth 19
John T Booth 15
James Booth 12
Wm Booth 10
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Robt Boothe
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Robt Boothe
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Georgia
Home in 1860: Beat 2, Shelby, Texas
Post Office: Shelbyville
Dwelling Number: 221
Family Number: 221
Occupation: Farmer
Real Estate Value: 1150
Personal Estate Value: 1230
Household Members Age
Robt Boothe 27
Louisa Boothe 25
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John W Boothe
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: John W Boothe
Age in 1870: 3
Birth Date: abt 1867
Birthplace: Texas
Dwelling Number: 175
Home in 1870: Precinct 2, Shelby, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Shelbyville
Inferred Father:
Robert Boothe
Inferred Mother:
Sarah E Boothe
Household Members Age
Robert Boothe 37
Sarah E Boothe 28
John W Boothe 3 [John Wilkes Booth Sr]
Sarah L Boothe 2
Lizzie E Boothe 4/12
Nancy Brooks 70
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John W. Booth
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: John W. Booth
Age: 13
Birth Date: Abt 1867
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1880: Precinct 2, Shelby, Texas, USA
Dwelling Number: 61
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Stepson (Step Son)
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Georgia
Mother's Name: Sarah L. Ballard
Mother's Birthplace: Alabama
Occupation: Farm Hand
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Aquilla Ballard 58 Self (Head)
Sarah L. Ballard 38 Wife [Sarah Louise (Brooks) Booth-Ballard]
Aquilla Ballard 16 Son
Bob B. Ballard 8 Son
Charles Ballard 6 Son
James T. Ballard 4 Son
John F. Ballard 2 Son
John W. Booth 13 Stepson (Step Son)
Sarah L. Booth 11 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Lizzie E. Booth 10 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
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Niley Taylor Ballard
in the Texas, U.S., Death Certificates, 1903-1982
Name: Niley Taylor Ballard [Wiley Taylor Ballard]
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 74
Birth Date: 7 Dec 1884
Birth Place: Shelby
Residence: USA, Shelbyville, Shelby, Texas
Death Date: 25 Apr 1959
Death Place: Shelbyville, Shelby, Texas, USA
Father: Aguilla Whitaker Ballard
Mother: Sarah Louise Brooks
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Sarah Louise “Sallie” Brooks Carroll
Birth 15 Jul 1842
Montgomery County, Texas, USA
Death 8 Sep 1905 (aged 63)
Shelby County, Texas, USA
Burial
Carroll Cemetery
Center, Shelby County, Texas, USA
Memorial ID 22353003 · View Source
Family Members
Spouses

Photo
Aquilla Whittaker Ballard
1822–1880 (m. 1871)
Photo
Moses Marion Carroll
1843–1910 (m. 1892)
[SAW NOTE: Sarah’s 1st husband was Robert Booth]
Gravesite Details Wife of M.M. , Dau. of E.H. and Sallie W. Brooks
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John W Booth
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: John W Booth
Age: 33
Birth Date: Dec 1866
Birthplace: Texas, USA
Home in 1900: Shelbyville, Shelby, Texas
House Number: 2
Sheet Number: 9
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 151
Family Number: 152
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Annie M Booth
Marriage Year: 1888
Years Married: 12
Father's Birthplace: Georgia, USA
Mother's Birthplace: Alabama, USA
Occupation: Farmer
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
House Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: F
Farm or House: H
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
John W Booth 33 Head [John Wilkes Booth Sr]
Annie M Booth 30 Wife [Mary Ann (Hatcher) Booth]
Henry J Booth 11 Son
William S Booth 10 Son
Sallie Booth 7 Daughter
George Booth 5 Son
Marlow S Booth 3 Son
John W Booth 1 Son [John Wilkes Booth Jr/II]
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John Wilkes Booth
in the Louisiana, U.S., Statewide Death Index, 1819-1964
Name: John Wilkes Booth
Age: 85
Birth Year: abt 1867
Death Date: 1 Mar 1952
Death Place: Ouachita, Louisiana, USA
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John Wilkes Booth Jr
in the Virginia, U.S., Death Records, 1912-2014
Name: John Wilkes Booth Jr
Gender: Male
Race: White
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1898
Death Date: 20 Sep 1981
Death Place: Hampton, Virginia, USA
Registration Date: 29 Sep 1981
Father: John Wilkes Booth
Mother: Mary Ann Hatcher
Spouse: Rizsa Rascoe Booth
Certificate Number: 1981029580
Military Status: Yes
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John Booth
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: John Booth
Birth Year: abt 1898
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age in 1930: 32
Birthplace: Texas
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: Eudora, Chicot, Arkansas, USA
Map of Home:
Street Address: Franklin Street
Dwelling Number: 22
Family Number: 29
Home Owned or Rented: Rented
Home Value: 15
Radio Set: No
Lives on Farm: No
Age at First Marriage: 23
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Texas
Mother's Birthplace: Texas
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Laborer
Industry: Gas Line Co
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: Yes
Veteran: Yes
War: W.W
Household Members Age Relationship
John Booth 32 Head [John Wilkes Booth II]
Rozsa Booth 29 Wife
John Booth 9 Son [John Wilkes Booth III]
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John Wilkes Booth
in the Virginia, U.S., Marriage Records, 1936-2014
Name: John Wilkes Booth
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1921
Marriage Registration Place: Richmond, Virginia, USA
Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1953
Marriage Place: Richmond, Virginia, USA
Father: John Wilkes Booth [John Wilkes Booth II]
Mother: Rozsa A Roscoe
Spouse: Elizabeth Anne Reynolds
Certificate Number: 1953015286
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Starting down here we have the parents of Lisa Booth with John Wilkes Booth III and wife, Elizabeth. They go back to John Wilkes Booth II/Jr and John Wilkes Booth Sr, the son of Robert Booth and Sarah Brooks, NOT John Wilkes Booth, the assassin of Lincoln. Had that been the case the JWB b: Dec 1866 would have been the II not the first.

The parents of Robert Booth are John Tapley Booth and Henrietta M. (Paul) Booth, no apparent relation to Junius Brutus Booth, unless a common ancestor back in England. But recall the speculation of Lisa Booth was that John Wilkes Booth b: Dec 1866 in Shelby Co., TX was the son of JWB the assassin, and he was not. The paper trail and dna results agree on that point.

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(04-17-2021 04:41 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  

(04-17-2021 02:12 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  

The parents of Robert Booth are John Tapley Booth and Henrietta M. (Paul) Booth, no apparent relation to Junius Brutus Booth, unless a common ancestor back in England. But recall the speculation of Lisa Booth was that John Wilkes Booth b: Dec 1866 in Shelby Co., TX was the son of JWB the assassin, and he was not. The paper trail and dna results agree on that point.

Well now, it appears that there is more to the story of John Wilkes Booth Sr than just the name. You may note that in the 1880 census his mother has remarried to his step-father, Aquilla Ballard, who has a son, Aquilla Ballard Jr. It seems John Wilkes Booth Sr killed Aquilla Ballard Sr, and then several years later he shot Aquilla Ballard Jr twice in the back of the head with a small pistol, killing him. That sounds familiar. Coincidence? The JWB curse?

Quick update: Aquilla Ballard Sr died in 1880, and John Booth was only 13 then. I haven't found the cause of death yet for Aquilla Sr., or whether John really killed his stepfather.