Actually it helped a ton in finding it, Steve!

The Etta letter is two different letters and was incorrectly combined in Evidence! (I don't know if they were incorrectly combined by investigators at the time.)

Evidence has this at the start of the letter:

New York
April 13

Dear Wilkes,

I received your letter of the 12th (stating you would be in this city on the 16th inst.) this morning and hasten to answer it. On account of a misunderstanding between my landlady and your humble servant, I have been obliged to leave her hospitable mansion and am now (for the time being) stopping at the New York Hotel, after your arrival should you not approve of my present location, it can easily be changed to suit your convenience.

before going into:

Yes Dear, I can heartily sympathize with you...

at the start of the 2 images you found signed Etta (top of the letter). Etta's letter says

"so will I in you and Wllkes have said vengenance is mine."

That seems to imply Wilkes is someone different than who Etta is writing to. The last line in the postscript

Ahem!!! Sam

would seem to indicate that Sam is the name of the person Etta is writing to.

I have some information for the mother, sister, brother and a couple of nieces for Ella Starr if anyone is interested. That includes when they died, but still trying to find Ella; however, a court case may suggest she was deceased when John W. Starr, her brother, died and her mother and sister contested his will, but no mention of Ella as an heir. The will of Mary Jane Treakle shows she had 2 daughters, Mary Virginia Treakle and Alice Teresa Treakle.

This is a thread that's been around awhile, so perhaps that information has come out already, so I'll wait to see if there is any interest.

I would be interested.

Many moons ago, Terry Alford told me that he had tracked Ella down and that she had married well. He refused to tell me any details until Fortune's Fool was published. I saw no mention of his findings, so I contacted him and got no response. The History Channel crew that is due here at Surratt House next week wanted him for their production on Booth also, but as of a few weeks ago, he had not responded. If anyone is still in contact with Terry, you might have better luck...?

(10-10-2019 11:28 AM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote:  I would be interested.

Susan, I'm sure you know all the information in this thread, so I'll skip ahead a bit to Mary Virginia "Jennie" (Treakle) Bartlett, wife of Giles Bartlett, and some news clips.

I got the clips out of order for the contested will of John W. Starr insofar as Louis T. Starr is concerned, but you can see in the final decision that the judge declared Louis wasn't really his son.

Mollie "Towner" is, of course, Mollie Turner, aka Mary Jane (Starr) Treakle. I tried to attach the will of Mary Jane, but the system won't let me. I may have to get Roger's assistance for that.

You might note the clip for a "sister" of Mrs Giles Bartlett visiting 5 years after her death. I haven't pinned her down yet, but if really a sister she should be Alice Teresa (Treakle) McJenkins. The only Alice McJenkins I found is not Alice Treakle. This may be her in the 1860 census with her father and step-mother.

Alice Treakle

in the 1870 United States Federal Census

Name: Alice Treakle
Age in 1870: 13
Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Virginia
Dwelling Number: 22
Home in 1870: Norfolk Ward 2, Norfolk, Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Norfolk
Occupation: Apprenticed To Milliner
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Treakle 41 [Printer]
Savannah Treakle 32
Laura Treakle 5
Alice Treakle 13 [Dtr of Mary Jane (Starr) Treakle]
Edith Treakle 3
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The will of Mary Jane Treakle was written 27 Apr 1886, and she passed away 11 Oct 1888.

Savannah Treakle was a widow by 1880. Her daughter, Laura, may have died as well. In the 1900 census she shows 2 children born, one living.

Savannah Treakle

in the 1880 United States Federal Census

Name: Savannah Treakle
Age: 39
Birth Date: Abt 1841
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1880: Norfolk, Norfolk, Virginia, USA
Street: Bute St
House Number: 274
Dwelling Number: 212
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina
Occupation: Keeping House
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Savannah Treakle 39
Edith Treakle 13

(10-10-2019 12:12 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Many moons ago, Terry Alford told me that he had tracked Ella down and that she had married well. He refused to tell me any details until Fortune's Fool was published. I saw no mention of his findings, so I contacted him and got no response. The History Channel crew that is due here at Surratt House next week wanted him for their production on Booth also, but as of a few weeks ago, he had not responded. If anyone is still in contact with Terry, you might have better luck...?

Thank you for the response! While looking for Terry Alford's claimed information I came across a post of yours from the "Andrew Johnson-His Mistress" thread, and noticed better news clips for the probate of John W. Starr, and mention of why Ell Starr wasn't included as a half-sister, according to another article about Mary Jane (Starr) Treakle/Mollie Turner.

Here's Mary and Ellen Starr in 1850, along with a couple of marriage records.

Ellen Starr

in the 1850 United States Federal Census

Name: Ellen Starr
Age: 9
Birth Year: abt 1841
Birthplace: Maryland
Home in 1850: Baltimore Ward 12, Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Gender: Female
Family Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Rice 50 [b: England]
Eliz Rice 80 [b: England]
Sarah C Rice 19 [b: England]
John Rice 17 [b: England]
Fanny Winson 13 [b: England]
Mary C Starr 17 [Mary Jane Starr b: MD, d: 4 Oct 1888 Baltimore, MD]
Ellen Starr 9 [b: MD, half-sister to Mary Starr and Joohn W. Starr]
[NOTE: Parents of Mary were John and Ellen (Flynn/Flin) Starr, but John died in 1838 or 1839]
[NOTE2: Mary and Ellen have a brother, John Starr Jr]
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Marriage
Ellen "Ellin" Flin "Flynn"

Fact Details
5 Jul 1831
Baltimore, Maryland, USA

Maryland Marriages, 1666-1970 groom's name: John Starr bride's name: Ellin Flin marriage date: 05 Jul 1831 marriage place: , Baltimore, Maryland indexing project (batch) number: M70407-1 system origin: Maryland-ODM source film number: 13693
Spouse
John Starr

–1838
***************

Source Citation for Maryland Marriages, 1666-1970
Citation Information

Transcript
record title: Maryland Marriages, 1666-1970 groom's name: Henry C. Treakle bride's name: Mary J. Starr marriage date: 23 Dec 1852 marriage place: First Methodist Episcopal Church, Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland indexing project (batch) number: M53374-1 system origin: Maryland-EASy source film number: 13697
Detail
marriage date: 23 Dec 1852 marriage place: First Methodist Episcopal Church, Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland

... darn it, I need to have a word with TinyPic. I will try to get all the info I’ve posted back up tomorrow.

Some great finds, Steve W.!

I actually wonder about the Nellie Starr who was involved in the murder of a town marshal in Baxter Springs, KS. I believe Steve found the article a while back and I called the Baxter Springs Museum, but unfortunately they never got around to sending me any info I requested.

(10-11-2019 01:07 AM)Jenny Wrote:  ... darn it, I need to have a word with TinyPic. I will try to get all the info I’ve posted back up tomorrow.

Some great finds, Steve W.!

I actually wonder about the Nellie Starr who was involved in the murder of a town marshal in Baxter Springs, KS. I believe Steve found the article a while back and I called the Baxter Springs Museum, but unfortunately they never got around to sending me any info I requested.

Jenny,

I imagine you are referring to:

Nellie Star

in the 1870 United States Federal Census

Name: Nellie Star
Age in 1870: 24
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: Canada
Dwelling Number: 25
Home in 1870: Baxter Springs Ward 1, Cherokee, Kansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Lostine
Occupation: Keeping Brother [Keeping Brothel]
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Personal Estate Value: 100
Household Members:
Name Age
Nellie Star 24 [Keeping brothel – Madam]
Carrie Star 19 [Prostitute b: Canada]
Lena Bay 19 [Prostitute b: OH]
Nellie Hide 26 [Prostitute b: KY]
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The 2nd article, the shooting of the marshal, mentions Nellie was from Kansas City. Carrie Starr appears to be a sister to this Nellie Starr, but that could just be an alias, with both ladies showing a Canada birth.

There are also a couple of Ella Turner prostitution articles that may, or not, have significance.

I haven't found a probate for Mrs Ellen Starr who died in 1896. If Ella is still living I should think she might be mentioned in any will that her mother had, especially since her brother and sister are deceased. It would be good to have the will and probate information even if Ella isn't mentioned!

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(10-11-2019 11:12 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 01:07 AM)Jenny Wrote:  ... darn it, I need to have a word with TinyPic. I will try to get all the info I’ve posted back up tomorrow.

Some great finds, Steve W.!

I actually wonder about the Nellie Starr who was involved in the murder of a town marshal in Baxter Springs, KS. I believe Steve found the article a while back and I called the Baxter Springs Museum, but unfortunately they never got around to sending me any info I requested.

Jenny,

I imagine you are referring to:

Nellie Star

in the 1870 United States Federal Census

Name: Nellie Star
Age in 1870: 24
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: Canada
Dwelling Number: 25
Home in 1870: Baxter Springs Ward 1, Cherokee, Kansas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Lostine
Occupation: Keeping Brother [Keeping Brothel]
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Personal Estate Value: 100
Household Members:
Name Age
Nellie Star 24 [Keeping brothel – Madam]
Carrie Star 19 [Prostitute b: Canada]
Lena Bay 19 [Prostitute b: OH]
Nellie Hide 26 [Prostitute b: KY]
*****************************
The 2nd article, the shooting of the marshal, mentions Nellie was from Kansas City. Carrie Starr appears to be a sister to this Nellie Starr, but that could just be an alias, with both ladies showing a Canada birth.

There are also a couple of Ella Turner prostitution articles that may, or not, have significance.

I haven't found a probate for Mrs Ellen Starr who died in 1896. If Ella is still living I should think she might be mentioned in any will that her mother had, especially since her brother and sister are deceased. It would be good to have the will and probate information even if Ella isn't mentioned!

Anyone who would like a copy of the will for Mary Jane Treakle, aka Mollie Turner, please email me at ctn59880@centurytel.net and I'll send the 3 pages as attachments. I can't get it to post here, and would rather not keep pestering Roger.

(10-11-2019 01:07 AM)Jenny Wrote:  ... darn it, I need to have a word with TinyPic. I will try to get all the info I’ve posted back up tomorrow.

Some great finds, Steve W.!

I actually wonder about the Nellie Starr who was involved in the murder of a town marshal in Baxter Springs, KS. I believe Steve found the article a while back and I called the Baxter Springs Museum, but unfortunately they never got around to sending me any info I requested.

Jenny,

As an aside, back at the beginning of this thread in your initial discussion of Ella there was this:

"Mother Starr ended up back in Baltimore, where she worked for a Catholic school. In 1888, she deeded a lot in the New Cathedral Cemetery to "my daughter Ellie..." Nellie must have been still alive and around somewhere, but I don't think anyone has found her. Mr. Hall speculated that she changed her name to Nellie LaRue and was operating a house in her old DC haunts in the early-1870s, but couldn't prove the link. He did locate the name of a niece, Mary Virginia Treakle, who married a Giles Bartlett in Huron, Ohio, in 1873, and had two children."

The Nellie LaRue mentioned, and the only Nellie LaRue I found, was in the 1880's and 1890's. She died in 1899, and her death notice reveals she was Mary (Williams? Rue, wife of Manning F. Rue.

Mary Williams

in the District of Columbia, Marriage Records, 1810-1953

Name: Mary Williams
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1866
Marriage Place: District of Columbia, USA
Spouse: Manning F Rue
Film Number: 002079252
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They had several children children together, but only one survived to adult, George F. Rue.

Mary was b: abt 1841 in Washington DC, the daughter of Zadock Williams and Edney Ann Denore.

Zadock Williams
Birth 15 Feb 1805
Benning, District of Columbia, District of Columbia, USA
Death 11 Apr 1892 (aged 87)
Burial
Congressional Cemetery
Washington, District of Columbia, District of Columbia, USA
Plot R18/155
Memorial ID 73019377 · View Source

Zadock [1st] married Edney Ann (Denore) Williams (1813 - 16 July 1853) on 14 Nov 1828 in Washington, DC. Edney was born in Washington, DC.

In the 1850 U.S. Census, Zadock and Edney were living in Washington, DC, and he was a "merchant."

Zadock [2nd] married Mary (Morton) Williams (c.1833 - 25 July 1886) on 15 Nov 1854 in Washington, DC.

In the 1860 and 1870 U.S. Censuses, Zadick and Mary were living in Washington, DC, and he was a "grocer" (1860) and a "brick maker" (1870). Zadock had $10,000 worth of real estate in 1860.

I can't find Zadock in the 1880 U.S. Census. He was a "merchant" at the time of his death.

"On Monday, April 11, 1892 at 3 o'clock p.m., Zadock Williams in the 88th year of his age. Funeral will take place from his late residence, No. 1314, Third street southeast on Wednesday, April 13 at 3 o'clock p.m. Relatives and friends invited to attend. No flowers."

The Evening Star, 12 Apr 1892
Death of Mr. Zadok Williams

The venerable Mr. Zadok Williams, died last evening at the residence of his son, Joseph Z. Williams, 1314 3d street southeast. Mr. Williams had spent all the eighty-seven years of his life in this city, and was familiar with its early history, retaining a remarkably clear recollection of scenes and incidents of former years. Mr. Williams was born near Benning, February 15, 1805. His father, who served in the War of 1812, came to this city from Prince George's county, Md., in 1810, and located in East Washington. In 1814, when the British attacked this city, Mr. Williams remembered well when Commodore Tingey had the old Navy Yard bridge burned to keep the British from coming to the city. He also gathered with an old colored man many pieces of the old guns destroyed by the British at the marine barracks and placed them in an old lockup that stood near the navy yard gate. When quite a young man he learned the tailor business under Mr. Jewell in Georgetown and had made garments for many celebrated and distinguished persons of the day, among them Mr. E.W.P. Custis of Arlington, with whom he was personally acquainted. He owned from time to time much property in this section and also owned the famous "race course track," purchased from the late Mr. Thomas Blagden, and sold it to the United States government to form a part of the asylum tract, reserving the original race track, which he subsequently sold to private individuals. He married in 1828 Miss Edney Ann Denoon, by whom he had a large family. Two sons and three daughters survive him -- Mr. Joseph Z. Williams, Mr. George Williams, Mrs. Joseph Grinder, Mrs. Enoch M. Norris and Mrs. M.F Rue -- and many grandchildren and great grandchildren. Mrs. Williams died in July 1853, and he married a second time, Miss Mary Morton of Baltimore, Md., who died in July 1886, and left no family. Mr. Williams was up to a few years ago engaged in business. He was a member of the Oldest Inhabitants' Society and was the oldest parishioner of Christ Church, East Washington. The funeral will take place tomorrow afternoon at 3 o'clock from the late residence. The interment will be at Congressional cemetery."
_____

Mary (Morton) Williams was originally buried in R35/80, but was "Removed to unknown on".

Zadock was moved from R35/253 on 14 Dec 1893. He is now buried with his grandson, Zadock Williams (1868 - 12 Dec 1893).
_____

Zadock and Edney were also the parents of:

1) Elizabeth Matilda (Williams) Grinder (Apr 1832 - 5 Apr 1909) married Joseph Grinder (1822 - 26 May 1899) on 18 Mar 1855 in Washington, DC. He was the son of Ginter George Grinder (1789-1855) and Elenore (Knot) Grinder (1790-1865). Elizabeth is #49401860 and Joseph is #49401866.

Obituary for Elizabeth - "On Monday, April 5, 1909, at 6:10 p.m., Elizabeth M., widow of the late Joseph Grinder and daughter of the late Zadoc Williams, in her 77th year.

While we weep as Jesus Wept,
Thou shalt sleep as Jesus slept;
With thy Savior thou shalt rest,
Crowned and glorified and blest.

Funeral on Thursday at 11 a.m., from her late residence, 629 1/2 Maryland avenue southwest. Relatives and friends invited."

2) Sarah A. (Williams) Norris (29 Dec 1836 - 14 Jan 1899) - #49423679.

3) Mary A. (Williams) Rue [aka Nellie La Rue] (1841 - 5 Oct 1899) married Manning F. Rue on 27 June 1866 in Washington, DC. Mary is #49403951 and Manning is #49403950.

Obituary for Manning - "On Thursday, June 9, 1904, at 4:45 a.m., at Providence Hospital, after a lingering illness, Manning F. Rue. Funeral from the chapel of J. Williams Lee, 332 Pennsylvania avenue northwest, on Friday, June 10 at 1 o'clock p.m. Kindly omit flowers (Philadelphia papers please copy). Members of Farragut Post, No. 10, G.A.R., please meet at 1 o'clock p.m., June 10, at Lee's chapel, to attend the funeral of Comrade Manning F. Rue. By order of commander, B.F. Graham."

4) George F. Williams (Sept 1845 - 4 Aug 1904). George married Elizabeth (Reynolds) Williams ["Eliza"] (Feb 1846 - 9 June 1909) on 11 Dec 1879 in Washington, DC. She was born in Maryland. George is #49405274 and Eliza is #49405271.

Obituary for George - "On Thursday, August 4, 1904 at 1374 3rd street southeast, George F. Williams, the husband of Eliza Williams. Funeral Saturday morning, August 6 at 9 o'clock from St. Vincent de Paul's Church."

Obitury for Eliza - "On Wednesday, June 9, 1909 at her residence, 1314 Third street s.e., Eliza, widow of the late George F. Williams. Funeral Friday, June 11 from St. Vincent de Paul's Church, S. Capitol and M streets at 9 a.m."
Family Members
Spouse

Edney Ann Denore Williams

1813–1853

Children

Sarah A Norris

unknown–1899
Joseph Zadock Williams

1831–1898
William W Williams

1835–1878
Emily A Williams

1848–1872
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The attached notice for probate shows Mary Rue was also Nellie La Rue, and there are many city directories 1885-1897 showing Manning Rue, separate from Nellie Larue/LaRue. She was buried as Mary F. Rue, with no mention of her husband, and there is no memorial for any Nellie Larue/LaRue.

Mary Rue [Mary (Williams) Rue, aka Nellie La Rue]
Birth unknown
Death 5 Oct 1899
Burial
Congressional Cemetery
Washington, District of Columbia, District of Columbia, USA
Plot 113 - 191
Memorial ID 49403951 · View Source

Family Members
Children

Photo
George Williams Rue

1878–1948

Gravesite Details AGE: 58 - COD: Typhoid Fever - BIRTHPLACE: DC
**************************************************
I'm only mentioning this stuff, for which I have census records, etc., to take Nellie Larue out of the possibilities for Ella Starr/Nellie Turner.

Quote:I haven't found a probate for Mrs Ellen Starr who died in 1896. If Ella is still living I should think she might be mentioned in any will that her mother had, especially since her brother and sister are deceased. It would be good to have the will and probate information even if Ella isn't mentioned!

According to the records set to me by The James O. Hall Research Library, this following is said:

"Mrs. Ellen F. Starr has no record of a will in Baltimore City. No administration was granted for a will of hers. (Microfilm) CR 10683 (index to Baltimore City administrations, 1895-1865

Also checked:
Balt. City wills, TWM 159 (1896)
TWM 160 (1896)
TWM 161-162 (1896-1897)"

This was research done at the Maryland Hall of Records on January 22, 1988 by Mr. Hall. I hope that helps in regards to Mrs. Starr's will... thus far it seems she did not leave one.

Quote:Jenny,

As an aside, back at the beginning of this thread in your initial discussion of Ella there was this:

"Mother Starr ended up back in Baltimore, where she worked for a Catholic school. In 1888, she deeded a lot in the New Cathedral Cemetery to "my daughter Ellie..." Nellie must have been still alive and around somewhere, but I don't think anyone has found her. Mr. Hall speculated that she changed her name to Nellie LaRue and was operating a house in her old DC haunts in the early-1870s, but couldn't prove the link. He did locate the name of a niece, Mary Virginia Treakle, who married a Giles Bartlett in Huron, Ohio, in 1873, and had two children."
The Nellie LaRue mentioned, and the only Nellie LaRue I found, was in the 1880's and 1890's. She died in 1899, and her death notice reveals she was Mary (Williams? Rue, wife of Manning F. Rue.

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I'm only mentioning this stuff, for which I have census records, etc., to take Nellie Larue out of the possibilities for Ella Starr/Nellie Turner.

Mr. Hall hypothesized the possible "Nellie LaRue" connection, but it never rang true to me. Regardless, excellent detective work on ruling her out!

Do you have a source for the John W. Starr divorce from "Marie Antoinette?" I would love to add it to my Starr family tree!

Also regarding Mary Jane's daughter, Alice Teresa, her last name was just plain Jenkins, not McJenkins. If it says "McJenkins" in Mary Jane's will, it must have been misspelled.

Mr. Hall hypothesized the possible "Nellie LaRue" connection, but it never rang true to me. Regardless, excellent detective work on ruling her out!

Do you have a source for the John W. Starr divorce from "Marie Antoinette?" I would love to add it to my Starr family tree!

Also regarding Mary Jane's daughter, Alice Teresa, her last name was just plain Jenkins, not McJenkins. If it says "McJenkins" in Mary Jane's will, it must have been misspelled.
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In the will of Mary Jane Treakle she named her daughters with their maiden names, i.e. Mary Virginia Treakle and Alice Teresa Treakle. The McJenkins came from a news clipping for Mrs McJenkins visiting her sister, Mrs Giles Bartlett. I think I already sent that with the other bunch of clippings, but here it is again, in case I didn't send it, or you can't read it.

The 2nd newsclip is for John W. Starr Jr and Marie Antoinette Starr where she claims marriage in 1869, the divorce in 1871, with a remarriage in 1871. I didn't confirm any of those dates.

As for the will or probate of Mrs Ellen Starr, I found some Starr wills in Baltimore, but none of them Ellen. She should have had an estate needing a probate, and yet there is nothing showing for that. I wonder whether her will was filed someplace other than Baltimore, even tho her death is noted as having occurred, according to the Baltimore Sun, at Saint Catherine's Normal Institute, and there was such a place in Baltimore.

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(10-15-2019 11:26 PM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 09:47 PM)Jenny Wrote:  

Mr. Hall hypothesized the possible "Nellie LaRue" connection, but it never rang true to me. Regardless, excellent detective work on ruling her out!

Do you have a source for the John W. Starr divorce from "Marie Antoinette?" I would love to add it to my Starr family tree!

Also regarding Mary Jane's daughter, Alice Teresa, her last name was just plain Jenkins, not McJenkins. If it says "McJenkins" in Mary Jane's will, it must have been misspelled.

In the will of Mary Jane Treakle she named her daughters with their maiden names, i.e. Mary Virginia Treakle and Alice Teresa Treakle. The McJenkins came from a news clipping for Mrs McJenkins visiting her sister, Mrs Giles Bartlett. I think I already sent that with the other bunch of clippings, but here it is again, in case I didn't send it, or you can't read it.

The 2nd newsclip is for John W. Starr Jr and Marie Antoinette Starr where she claims marriage in 1869, the divorce in 1871, with a remarriage in 1871. I didn't confirm any of those dates.

As for the will or probate of Mrs Ellen Starr, I found some Starr wills in Baltimore, but none of them Ellen. She should have had an estate needing a probate, and yet there is nothing showing for that. I wonder whether her will was filed someplace other than Baltimore, even tho her death is noted as having occurred, according to the Baltimore Sun, at Saint Catherine's Normal Institute, and there was such a place in Baltimore.
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Jenny,

Just for my continuing education do you perchance know who the parents were for an Eliza V. Starr who m: William S. Skidmore in Washington DC?

Eliza V Starr

in the District of Columbia, Marriage Records, 1810-1953

Name: Eliza V Starr
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 12 May 1870
Marriage Place: District of Columbia, USA
Spouse: W S Skidmore [William S. Skidmore]
Film Number: 002079252
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I haven't been able to find her prior to the marriage. She, b:abt 1848, and her parents are supposed to have been born in VA. they are in the 1870 census for Washington DC, and subsequently moved to Baltimore, where he died in 1904, and she died in 1915.

She may have no relevance for us, but I want to be sure.

As another aside there was a Mollie Turner b: 1841 MD that ran a cigar store in the 1880 census of Washington DC. There were 4 other women and a man with her as well. If that Mollie was Mary Jane (Starr) Treakle I think she would have been in Baltimore, and the birth year should be different. Could Ella have borrowed her sister's alias?

Mollie Turner

in the 1880 United States Federal Census

Name: Mollie Turner
Age: 39
Birth Date: Abt 1841
Birthplace: Maryland
Home in 1880: Washington, Washington, District of Columbia, District of Columbia, USA
Street: D Street North West
House Number: 1315
Dwelling Number: 9
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Maryland
Mother's Birthplace: Maryland
Occupation: Keeps Cigar Store
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Mollie Turner 39
[NOTE: She has 4 other, unfamiliar women and a man living with her]
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Yes, I'm grasping at straws.

Has anyone attempted to make a connection with the Jenkins family since that was Mary Surratt's maiden name?

Eliza V. Starr is one I tried to trace and failed. :/

Quote:As another aside there was a Mollie Turner b: 1841 MD that ran a cigar store in the 1880 census of Washington DC. There were 4 other women and a man with her as well. If that Mollie was Mary Jane (Starr) Treakle I think she would have been in Baltimore, and the birth year should be different. Could Ella have borrowed her sister's alias?

Mollie Turner

in the 1880 United States Federal Census

Name: Mollie Turner
Age: 39
Birth Date: Abt 1841
Birthplace: Maryland
Home in 1880: Washington, Washington, District of Columbia, District of Columbia, USA
Street: D Street North West
House Number: 1315
Dwelling Number: 9
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Maryland
Mother's Birthplace: Maryland
Occupation: Keeps Cigar Store
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Mollie Turner 39
[NOTE: She has 4 other, unfamiliar women and a man living with her]
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Yes, I'm grasping at straws.

Actually I’m pretty sure that is Mary Jane. She seemed to have no problem lying about her age as a few newspaper articles regarding her shenanigans regarding her dead brother’s will in 1883 said she was in her 30s when she really would have been into her late 40s (maybe she had the looks to pull it off). I want to say she was listed as being younger than she could have been on her death certificate too but will have to check. Plus according to the same newspaper articles, she was still living in DC as a prostitute in in 1883 as well.

Quote:Yes, I’m grasping at straws.

You and me both, Steve!

Laurie, I haven’t looked into the Jenkins family in regards to Alice but that’s now on my to-do list!