Historically speaking it doesn't mean a wit if Lucy Hale was with JWB in Newport or not. For all we know it could have been an imposter hoping to score with a woman. "Hey baby, I'm John Wilkes Booth, handsome and debonair matinee idol. Want to help me rehearse Romeo & Juliette at yon hotel?" After she found out he wasn't the real thing she called it off.

What is important is where on this trip did Booth learn of the Torpedo Plot? Montreal, Boston or New York? I'd like it to be Montreal but the hearsay evidence points to NY.

I thought I was ready to move on, then I stumbled onto this. Pg 275 American Brutus. "hundreds of people were detained including .... Adeline Adams, who had allegedly entertained Booth at her hotel in Neuport...." (not shown in the Book Index). Can anyone add anything to this snippet ? That is all that was said.

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(02-18-2017 04:39 PM)JMadonna Wrote:  Historically speaking it doesn't mean a wit if Lucy Hale was with JWB in Newport or not. For all we know it could have been an imposter hoping to score with a woman. "Hey baby, I'm John Wilkes Booth, handsome and debonair matinee idol. Want to help me rehearse Romeo & Juliette at yon hotel?" After she found out he wasn't the real thing she called it off.

What is important is where on this trip did Booth learn of the Torpedo Plot? Montreal, Boston or New York? I'd like it to be Montreal but the hearsay evidence points to NY.

Jerry- your question about "When did Booth learn of the "Torpedo Plot ?" is a good one. I think it could have been as early as March '65 when Harney was assigned the "Torpedo Plot" and that guy Leonard T. Hogan claims he delivered a message to Booth "Not to shoot Lincoln. That could have been as early as Mid- March (Say right after Booth flubbed the "Lincoln Capture " on March 17th.

(02-20-2017 09:47 PM)SSlater Wrote:  I thought I was ready to move on, then I stumbled onto this. Pg 275 American Brutus. "hundreds of people were detained including .... Adeline Adams, who had allegedly entertained Booth at her hotel in Neuport...." (not shown in the Book Index). Can anyone add anything to this snippet ? That is all that was said.

John,

This refers to the Newport in Southern Maryland, not Newport, Rhode Island. Mrs. Adams was the keeper of a tavern in Newport, Charles County and plays into the story as to the possible survival of Booth and Herold's horses.

(02-20-2017 10:05 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 09:47 PM)SSlater Wrote:  I thought I was ready to move on, then I stumbled onto this. Pg 275 American Brutus. "hundreds of people were detained including .... Adeline Adams, who had allegedly entertained Booth at her hotel in Neuport...." (not shown in the Book Index). Can anyone add anything to this snippet ? That is all that was said.

John,

This refers to the Newport in Southern Maryland, not Newport, Rhode Island. Mrs. Adams was the keeper of a tavern in Newport, Charles County and plays into the story as to the possible survival of Booth and Herold's horses.

Dave is correct in this, and the James O. Hall files mentioned it many years ago. Rick Smith of this forum read Hall's file and did further research due to a very distinct statement made by one James Owens in the employ of the Adamses. We carried Rick's article in the Surratt Courier several years ago.

Not to muddy an already murky topic, but I'm wondering about Isabel Sumner. Would Booth have attempted one last shot at a relationship with her prior to the assasination? His letters to her the previous year, along with the ring he purchased for her, at least hint to me that he was more than just temporarily smitten with her. What if he tried one last attempt to win her heart? Other than "Right or Wrong...", what other sources are there regarding Booth's relationship with Sumner? Thanks! And feel free to laugh at this "theory." I'm still a newbie!

I do not know, Tony, but given the times, would Booth check into a hotel with a 17-year-old girl? As I say, I do not know.

I know. her age is the issue for sure. and based on the little i have read about her and the relationship with booth, it seems he was very cavalier and she was the one with restraint?? But when i read and reread his letters to her, he seemed to truly be hurt by her non-reciprocity...and her silence about her feelings for him...yet she kept his letters and the ring even after he assassinated Lincoln. Thank you for your reply!

(02-07-2017 11:48 PM)SSlater Wrote:  Thank You - everybody, for participating in this study. We all have more information to work with, but we don't have an answer - YET!

Our work is made more difficult by the fact - back then they were trying to hide all their activities - and did a good job of it.

I would not rule out Lucy as being not promiscuous. I have read that she and John often went to other cities on week ends, sometimes accompanied by Lucy's sister Elizabeth, and John McCollough and he being a married man with a family in Philadelphia. (The girls - two peas from the same pod).
I believe strongly, that Booth was completely enamored with Lucy and would not seek company elsewhere. We know that he was engaged to Lucy at this time and wore a same ring on his pinky, to show his commitment. He bragged to Chester, when he got to New York - that he was to be married.

It is unfortunate for us, that so many authors have given us their opinions, instead of saying "I don't know". That leaves us without one trustworthy source to believe - without any reservation. (This study is proving this assumption.) It's very easy to say the woman was Lucy and he opposite is true - and we can't PROVE either statement.

I have convinced myself that the whole trip to Boston was intended to introduce Lucy to Edwin. Edwin and John fought tooth and nail over politics, but this trip was a forgone conclusion that the pretty Lucy was a victory for John. She was a beauty and she belonged to him and he wanted Edwin to know it.

Please continue to post your comments. We have to resolve these discrepancies, if we are to find out what went on back then.

PS John (The Lawyer one). Harney was captured AFTER Lee surrendered. That fact appears in all the "after action" reports.

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can you provide the citations for lucy's alleged promiscuity?

(01-25-2018 08:14 PM)Ernesto Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:48 PM)SSlater Wrote:  Thank You - everybody, for participating in this study. We all have more information to work with, but we don't have an answer - YET!

Our work is made more difficult by the fact - back then they were trying to hide all their activities - and did a good job of it.

I would not rule out Lucy as being not promiscuous. I have read that she and John often went to other cities on week ends, sometimes accompanied by Lucy's sister Elizabeth, and John McCollough and he being a married man with a family in Philadelphia. (The girls - two peas from the same pod).
I believe strongly, that Booth was completely enamored with Lucy and would not seek company elsewhere. We know that he was engaged to Lucy at this time and wore a same ring on his pinky, to show his commitment. He bragged to Chester, when he got to New York - that he was to be married.

It is unfortunate for us, that so many authors have given us their opinions, instead of saying "I don't know". That leaves us without one trustworthy source to believe - without any reservation. (This study is proving this assumption.) It's very easy to say the woman was Lucy and he opposite is true - and we can't PROVE either statement.

I have convinced myself that the whole trip to Boston was intended to introduce Lucy to Edwin. Edwin and John fought tooth and nail over politics, but this trip was a forgone conclusion that the pretty Lucy was a victory for John. She was a beauty and she belonged to him and he wanted Edwin to know it.

Please continue to post your comments. We have to resolve these discrepancies, if we are to find out what went on back then.

PS John (The Lawyer one). Harney was captured AFTER Lee surrendered. That fact appears in all the "after action" reports.

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can you provide the citations for lucy's alleged promiscuity?

Ernesto:

I am OK with a capture at about 9:00 am on the 10th, which squares with most sources and which is after Lee's surrender (the 9th).

Thanks.

John

thanks
my question was about Lucy's promiscuity. my computer says the response was lost

(01-26-2018 02:29 PM)Ernesto Wrote:  thanks
my question was about Lucy's promiscuity. my computer says the response was lost

Erenesto:

I cannot address the issue of Lucy's promiscuity, because, in addition to not knowing much about her, I know even less about women in general. I feel like Freud, a self-confessed ignoramus on the subject of the opposite sex.

John

(01-26-2018 02:29 PM)Ernesto Wrote:  thanks
my question was about Lucy's promiscuity. my computer says the response was lost

The reasoning for her promiscuity seems entirely circular to me. How do we know it was she who checked in at a hotel with Booth--because she and her sister were sexually promiscuous! How do we know that she and her sister were sexually promiscuous? Because they met Booth and his friend at a hotel!

It seems to be assumed by some authors that Lucy and her sister were the ladies behind the code names "Jack and Bob" mentioned by McCullough, without any supporting evidence being offered.

I am in agreement with Susan here. While even the well-bred of society could be promiscuous, I find it difficult to believe that one as well-placed as Lucy (and sister), with an influential, well-known father (especially in the Northeast), would put her reputation on the line by flaunting her free spirit. Do we know when that speculation first appeared? It smacks of mid- to late-20th century supposition to me when it seems that everyone's virginity was called into question.

P.S. I also think that the speculation about Mary Todd being pregnant before her hasty wedding is uncalled for. Unless we have proof that she killed the rabbit, we should keep quiet on the matter.

(01-26-2018 02:52 PM)John Fazio Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 02:29 PM)Ernesto Wrote:  thanks
my question was about Lucy's promiscuity. my computer says the response was lost

Erenesto:

I cannot address the issue of Lucy's promiscuity, because, in addition to not knowing much about her, I know even less about women in general. I feel like Freud, a self-confessed ignoramus on the subject of the opposite sex.

John

John,
And you think you are alone in that deduction? Respectfully, you need to read Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus. That pretty much says it all...Some things never change.

(01-26-2018 08:48 PM)Dennis Urban Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 02:52 PM)John Fazio Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 02:29 PM)Ernesto Wrote:  thanks
my question was about Lucy's promiscuity. my computer says the response was lost

Erenesto:

I cannot address the issue of Lucy's promiscuity, because, in addition to not knowing much about her, I know even less about women in general. I feel like Freud, a self-confessed ignoramus on the subject of the opposite sex.

John

John,
And you think you are alone in that deduction? Respectfully, you need to read Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus. That pretty much says it all...Some things never change.

Did you know that Venus is the only planet to rotate clockwise -- meaning to the right? Hence women are always right, and let's keep it that way...