Lincoln Discussion Symposium

(10-15-2014 11:16 AM)LincolnMan Wrote: [ -> ]We taught our kids to drive in cemetaries- really little or traffic- and no chance of fatalities!

Drive what in cemeteries??? Traffic? (You are kidding, Bill, aren't you?)

No- not at all. When our kids were in process to get their licenses- we would have them practice driving in local cemetaries.

That's a great idea that I have never heard anyone else talk about! The older cemeteries, especially, have great twists and turns to teach them how to maneuver.

We have kids learning to parallel park in the museum's lot all the time because we have one row of curb parking. The parents put out orange cones to signify a car in front and a car in the back, and the kids spend an hour or more knocking over cones!

(10-15-2014 04:55 PM)LincolnMan Wrote: [ -> ]No- not at all. When our kids were in process to get their licenses- we would have them practice driving in local cemetaries.

Never heard of a cemetery you are allowed to drive in - not even riding a bike, due to RIP.

Eva: really? Never been a problem- at least here in Michigan.

Unimaginable - a cemetery is a place of solemn silence, peace, and nature here, no noise, no hurrying, no exhaust fumes. I think it's an issue similar to Sunday - it's a holy day, and like every holiday protected by the law. Any "private" noise, such as DIY hammering, drilling, lawn mowing, is a no-go. Also only few shops are allowed to open (e.g. at airports or main railway stations). There are exceptions, of course, music or other events e.g.
This site gives an idea of what makes Germans "tick":
http://www.grafenwoehr.army.mil/sites/ne...rmany.html
I have to admit I love the site's (author's) perception that "Germans are very concerned about the environment".

Sundays used to be that way here- long gone...

Same here as far as Sundays, but I have to question the "no vehicle" rule in cemeteries. Are hearses allowed? Many of our large cemeteries encompass a lot of acres. How do they handle people who are unable to walk to various graves, or even funeral processions?

(10-15-2014 04:55 PM)LincolnMan Wrote: [ -> ]No- not at all. When our kids were in process to get their licenses- we would have them practice driving in local cemetaries.

I know quite a few people who learned to drive in cemeteries. Along with big empty parking lots, it's an ideal place to practice!

Many cemeteries in big American cities are so vast and even hilly you HAVE to drive to navigate your way around in them

(10-16-2014 09:54 AM)L Verge Wrote: [ -> ]Same here as far as Sundays, but I have to question the "no vehicle" rule in cemeteries. Are hearses allowed? Many of our large cemeteries encompass a lot of acres. How do they handle people who are unable to walk to various graves, or even funeral processions?

Coffins are usually carried by pallbearers. I've occasionally seen hearses. Most cemeteries aren't that large (that's why gravesites "expire" after a certain period).

(10-17-2014 12:29 PM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-16-2014 09:54 AM)L Verge Wrote: [ -> ]Same here as far as Sundays, but I have to question the "no vehicle" rule in cemeteries. Are hearses allowed? Many of our large cemeteries encompass a lot of acres. How do they handle people who are unable to walk to various graves, or even funeral processions?

Coffins are usually carried by pallbearers. I've occasionally seen hearses. Most cemeteries aren't that large (that's why gravesites "expire" after a certain period).

Many of the cemeteries in the United States are too large to have foot traffic only. The beautiful Victorian cemeteries were designed almost as much for the living as the dead. They were designed for beauty, and the enjoyment of visitors. Look at The Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, one of the greatest of Victorian era cemeteries. You could never enjoy visiting Jefferson Davis there. You would have to pack a lunch for the walk from the front gate.

(10-18-2014 11:00 AM)Jim Garrett Wrote: [ -> ]The beautiful Victorian cemeteries were designed almost as much for the living as the dead. They were designed for beauty, and the enjoyment of visitors. .

Sounds interesting, the visitors' enjoyment (anything "joy") wouldn't come to my mind thinking of a German cemetery.

The Lexington Cemetery is a very beautiful garden cemetery and many of the Todd family members are buried there.
Ben Hard Helm is buried in the Helm family cemetery in Elizabethtown, Kentucky
Yes, Mary's father, Robert Smith Todd, is buried in Lexington.
Yes, General Levi Todd is buried there, and so is Mary's brother Levi Todd. However, brother Levi is buried in an unmarked grave.

A couple of years ago, I wrote a small book titled THE KENTUCKY TODDS IN LEXINGTON CEMETERY. I only included the ones whom Mary knew, or at least knew of, including her grandparnets and great-grandparents. The book also contains several photos of Todd family members. If anyone would like a copy, please send me a personal message. There are still copies available, and I can sell them much cheaper than the prices on Amazon.com.

I stopped by the Helm family cemetery in Elizabethtown, KY last year. It is hemmed in by modern buildings--you have to park in one of their parking lots and climb! This is Brig. Gen. Benjamin Hardin Helm's grave.

I made it State-side. (great time to travel)
Had to be out in the Kentucky heat (love it!), and take some photos.
It seems that a Ben Hardin Helm is in fact buried in Lexington Cemetery.
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And the parents of John Todd Stuart rest right next to the other Todds.