Mary Surratt and John Lloyd
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07-16-2012, 05:57 PM
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RE: Mary Surratt and John Lloyd
(07-16-2012 03:58 PM)Gene C Wrote: Supposition, Kate's book, Assassin's Accomplice is HIGHLY recommended -- it's a "Must Read"! "The Past is a foreign country...they do things differently there" - L. P. Hartley |
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07-16-2012, 06:04 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-16-2012 06:06 PM by J. Beckert.)
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RE: Mary Surratt and John Lloyd
I agree, Betty. Laurie also sent me a copy of a speech she gave entitled - "Did She or Didn't She?", which I read before reading Ms. Larson's book. (I'd like to see that speech posted) Short and to the point, it really swayed my opinion on Mrs. Surratt's guilt. Ms. Larson's book sealed it for me.
"There are few subjects that ignite more casual, uninformed bigotry and condescension from elites in this nation more than Dixie - Jonah Goldberg" |
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07-16-2012, 06:27 PM
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RE: Mary Surratt and John Lloyd
(07-16-2012 06:04 PM)J. Beckert Wrote: I agree, Betty. Laurie also sent me a copy of a speech she gave entitled - "Did She or Didn't She?", which I read before reading Ms. Larson's book. (I'd like to see that speech posted) Short and to the point, it really swayed my opinion on Mrs. Surratt's guilt. Ms. Larson's book sealed it for me. I always believed that Mary was not the innocent she was made out to be....Kate's book confirmed it! "The Past is a foreign country...they do things differently there" - L. P. Hartley |
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07-16-2012, 11:40 PM
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RE: Mary Surratt and John Lloyd
Anna testified at the trial, so she couldn't be charged after that. But she lived in that house and saw everything, too. She wasn't a dope. She could have easily been used by ghe government as a lure to get John. They could have threatened to prosecute her, too, but she wasn't put on trial.
I agree with Laurie. I believe very deeply that Johnson saw the plea and rejected it. |
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07-25-2012, 02:44 PM
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RE: Mary Surratt and John Lloyd
I just got back from vacation. Great new forum. Roger came up with a fascinating counter-factual. I believe Mary would have been convicted by virtue of the role she and John played at the boarding house. Her sentence would likely have been somewhere in between the 6 years given to Spangler and the life sentence given to those not hanged.
As Holt spoke with Johnson for three hours, I find it inconceivable that the issue of the US government executing a woman for the first time did not come up. As Johnson was quoted as saying the trouble with the Civil War was the failure to hang enough women, Holt no doubt found a kindred spirit. Tom |
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07-25-2012, 03:06 PM
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Welcome back from your vacation, Tom! I am so glad you joined our group here.
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07-25-2012, 04:01 PM
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(07-25-2012 03:06 PM)RJNorton Wrote: Welcome back from your vacation, Tom! I am so glad you joined our group here. Welcome, Tom! "The Past is a foreign country...they do things differently there" - L. P. Hartley |
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07-26-2012, 08:09 AM
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RE: Mary Surratt and John Lloyd
Has anyone read the new book on Holt? I know it has gotten rave reviews and so did Dr. Leonard's presentation but was Holt really as vindictive as he's made out to be in the movie? Maybe he would have had some sort of feeling about Mary if he wasn't like he was in the movie.
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