Houston connection

[jonathan]

Nora Titone's My Thoughts Be Bloody goes into Sam Houston's friendship with Junius Brutus Booth a little bit. And according to her, they were indeed drinking buddies. In fact, as I remember she says that Junius was a teetotaler until he met Houston. But after running around with Sam for a while, alcohol truly became a demon for Junius. For those who haven't read it, it's a fascinating book in my opinion.

[wpbinzel]

(07-13-2020 11:37 AM)Mrchips Wrote:  Hello everyone
I find myself coming to your group from a different direction, now in my fourth year of research so please bare with me.
Has anyone experienced any connection to the assassination from the Famous Sam Houston and familly.

Welcome to the forum!

I am not sure that I am tracking what you are saying. Are you saying that there is a connection between Sam Houston and/or his family with the JW Booth conspiracy of April 1865? If so, I would be interested to know exactly what the connection is. That Sam and JWB's father, Junius Brutus Booth, were acquainted and were known to enjoy a beverage or five together has been fairly well established (as previously pointed out, most notably by Nora Titone), but Junius died in 1852 and Sam died in July 1863, so I am not seeing the link here. So, I am quite curious, what are you seeing that I obviously am not.

[Mrchips]

Thank you for your response. What I am saying is the Houston family, not just Sam Houston, who died in 1863. Incidentally. Sam had been fighting illness all his life and would not have expected to die of pneumonia. Nor would his family. Hannibal Hamlin’s preference for a presidential nomination would have been Sam Houston as he had written.

The overall point I am getting at is there was a lot of Houston connections not the least of which would have been vast amount of money lost by what appears to be unknown connections between the Houston's, Hamlin's and Lincoln’s policies.

The Hamlins and Houston families were spreading far and wide as the states opened up,
opening banks and making fortunes from land and crops and livestock feeding the ever increasing multitudes of immigrants.

All of these millions including railways and roads were essentially built by slaves. They had to adjust to abolition, but each area was trying to slow the process of abolition down. Enlisting blacks and proposing to allow those slaves to wear a uniform and proposing the first paper currency, so quickly would have had a devastating effect (albeit the right and humane thing to do). Lincoln’s policies had a devastating financial and physical effects on those slave owners.

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Furthermore the Houstons, whilst claiming to be abolitionists, were the worst kind of slave owners and had dealt and delivered slaves since the mid-17th century. They essentially avoided wars by intermarrying with Quakers and Huguenots. They were allowed by Lincoln to be conscientious objectors. Those Quakers were allowed to benefit from wars by feeding soldiers and be supporting background staff only including making uniforms. This is supported by the information I have gained looking at the situation from different perspectives finding connection family wise from the Lincoln, Houston, and Hamlin women and families, in power gradually state by state.

Quakers were abolitionists and the said families intermarried with them in America and Ireland.
This gave them free reign to do as they wished without having to fight. The early Quakers did not even need marriage certification, only the understanding of togetherness by that community. The Quakers evolved from the disobedience of the Houstons and Huguenots not signing in compliance with English rule. Without approval from the British their wives were not recognized as their wives legally. Quakerism allowed marriage without certification. Quakers were subsequently persecuted which meant the Houstons kept on the move anyway or die because of their adopted religion.

Believe me the Scots and Irish were used to that from the British back in their native lands because they were transported as indentured servants (white slavery) 100 years before black slavery began.

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What I am saying ‘‘tis that the Houstons and Hamlins had extensive reasons, transportation to escape routes any where in the world via the Potomac River. Plenty of extended family around where Booth was killed if in deed he was killed? They were the vast beneficiaries of Lincoln’s death and had links to the murderer.

The actual players and conspirators were mere pawns. For example, the Houstons were married to the Grays. There was a picture of Alice Gray in Booth's pocket. 3 years after Lincoln’s death a Houston married a Garrett.

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A lot of this information I have derived from a Houston family branch which is not identified in the history books - a branch that I have found. This family connection as shown me how and why they stayed hidden and their history equally hidden because of hundreds of years of persecution by the British until the end of the Civil War.

Even then they kept slaves ahead of abolition enforcement to slow the process down until machines were invented to take the place of slaves making it financially viable.

Apologies for rambling on - I do tend to do it.

[wpbinzel]

(07-25-2020 10:43 PM)Mrchips Wrote:  

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What I am saying ‘‘tis that the Houstons and Hamlins had extensive reasons, transportation to escape routes any where in the world via the Potomac River. Plenty of extended family around where Booth was killed if in deed he was killed? They were the vast beneficiaries of Lincoln’s death and had links to the murderer.

The actual players and conspirators were mere pawns. For example, the Houstons were married to the Grays. There was a picture of Alice Gray in Booth's pocket. 3 years after Lincoln’s death a Houston married a Garrett.

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Thank you for your response. I will grant you (no pun intended!) that there were numerous people, individually and collectively, who had motivation and the resources to formulate and carry out a plot to kill Lincoln. However, there are four elements there. People having the motivation and resources to kill Lincoln caused him no physical harm. It was the formulation of a plot and its execution (again, no pun intended!) that resulted in Lincoln's death. So, I would have to see some evidence beyond having motivation and resources, that the Houstons, Hamlins, and the others you named actually formulated a plot and engaged JW Booth (or anyone else) to kill Lincoln. (Just my perspective, which I hope will be received as intended, as a constructive comment.)

[Mrchips]

Of course it is constructive comments that I am looking for always. The thing is that such intelligences and monetary power are able to formulate the events behind the scenes and in the background. Particular effort would be made so it was not traceable back to those in power and money. Connections known now would not have been known then. Although it should be asked that governmental parties would have known about Hamlin's background which is why he never made it to nomination. Evidence of any kind would have been difficult then, never mind now.

Such powerful people and beneficiaries, however, only now found are extensive. Even the President Andrew Johnson overdid the Surratt application for a public trial as opposed to the military trial. That president being more adept to negotiation over slavery state by state .
Military tribunals. Military courts only required 5 jurists to vote. And comprised of major and junior judges. 5 votes would not have been difficult to achieve. Such judges would have been more easily manipulated by the powers of the government. I’m looking now at the families of the judges.

Someone should reenact the court events as a public court to see how events may have turned out.

The government of the time clearly wanted an end to the “situation.” Evidence of governmental manipulation would clearly be impossible to prove only their actions, beneficiaries and connections analyzed. What I am saying is the Hamlins and Houstons were in the position to watch, guide, and manipulate every breath and movement and ideas Lincoln had, all in good time to arrange his demise. Those around Lincoln as aforesaid were the major beneficiaries.

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Also, if the question is never asked, then no one is going to come forward with evidence.

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Subsequent presidents were open to the idea of state wise decision on slavery and don’t forget Garfield was assassinated after removing Hamlin from America to Spain. Both assassinations occurring at the Potomac River traveling venues. We can only say it’s at least open to question that all things were in place to make my suggestion very possible and only putting the question out there will minds be looking at it.

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Circle among circles, as I look, I find more for examples. Henry Clay's sister intermarried with the Grays, and her sister married Robert Houston.

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The new found branch of the Houstons I have found had a close relationship with Whitelaw Reid and Henry Clay and the Hamlins. As did a family Houston member claimed to be the brother of Major Samuel Davidson Houston.

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Also, if the question is never asked then no one is going to come forward with evidence.
Presidents need to be nominated in order for them to be voted in.

[Mrchips]

Hannibal Hamlin grew up with the Booths and other famous actors around them; indeed his father held acting events at his home and Hannibal Hamlin was deterred from being an actor by his father.

[Gene C]

That was probably good advice from his father.

[wpbinzel]

(07-27-2020 01:13 PM)Mrchips Wrote:  Hannibal Hamlin grew up with the Booths and other famous actors around them; indeed his father held acting events at his home and Hannibal Hamlin was deterred from being an actor by his father.

I am most curious as to your source(s) for this statement. Hamlin was born in Paris, in what is now ME, in 1809 (it was part of MA at the time). JBB and MA Holmes arrived in the US in 1821. (Hamlin was already "grown up" at age 29 when JWB was born in 1838, and 33 when he was elected to Congress and moved to WDC in 1842.) I am no expert on the early travels of JBB, and while I know that he played in Boston, I have never seen anything that puts him 150+ miles to the north in ME. My recollection is also that Hamlin's father, Cyrus, was a farmer, so not exactly the type of person who attracted "famous actors" or "held acting events at his home." In addition, Cyrus died in early 1829. Hence, my question, what are the sources that support your statement that there was a connection between the Hamlins and the Booths?

[Mrchips]

Firstly thank you for asking. What bought me to this site was the love of history, and I have only been here in this site for a short period. As I originally said from an entirely different angle. Some of my responses will be off the top of my head as will this be. The reason being that I am a stay at home father aged 63 with a 3 year old daughter a miracle conceived by a cancer surviving 45-year-old wife who was told she now couldn't’t have children. Miracles I am used to. I experience them all the time. Enough waffling. Incidentally my 3-year-old is the reason for any grammatical mistakes, because I get plenty of interruption and do not get time to re read to correct them.

In answer to your question as I remember the Hamlins originally from London, England first came to Barnstaple, Me. then on to Paris Hill, Paris me as you said.

The time referred to was when Hannibal Hamlin was a teenager and left his home with his brothers to see if his theatrical interests were as strong. His father did hold theatrical events because of his own interests which guided his son thereto, and yes the father was a farmer. While Hamlin was away with his brothers his father wrote him a wonderful letter diplomatically persuading Hamlin to return home and subsequently after trying land surveying he was guided further into politics.

The Hamlin family originated in America with two brothers some 3 or 4 generations back.
Hannibal Hamlin's branch was as aforesaid however the other original brother branch was becoming the richest man in America and base in Buffalo, New York. He was nicknamed the “glucose king.” He and the Houstons intermingled over centuries bringing in slaves and processing and selling sugar worldwide.

Today eyebrow raiser ......
Around the middle of the 19th century and therefore around Lincoln’s death, both the Houstons and the Booths were intermarrying with ancestors of the current British royal family.

[Mrchips]

Did you know that the only legally trained mind in the military tribunal was Judge Holt, and he was controlled by judge Stanton in the background, and as we know the control freak Stanton could readily promote and demote generals at will. So using those powers the only one that mattered was Judge Holt with pressures easily surmounted to the other panelists and Holt guided by Stanton. The only person that mattered was Stanton.

Did you know that Lincoln received letters from Judge Houston indicting that many prominent states favored state-wide options on slavery?

Did you know that Stanton’s family was married to the Houstons.

Did you know that the Spencers mentioned previously contracted the inventor of the derringer that was used to kill Lincoln?

Did you know that Queen Victoria’s lady in waiting was a Spencer, and Prince Albert's groom later to be minister of foreign affairs and a vast land owner in Ireland at the time of the potato famine? That groom's name was Cunningham - the same name as the progenitors wife of the Houston family Margaret Cunningham, the wife of John Houston, historically claimed to be the first Houston.

Did you know that the princess royal also was accompanied in her marriage in Germany (where her father Albert came from) by the lady in waiting feeding information back from Germany to the queen?
Did you know as aforesaid that conspirator asterof was born in the same area of Germany as Prince Albert consort of Victoria, and it’s the same area where years later Rathbone and Harris the other occupants of the Lincoln theatre box. Were sent abroad to Germany where Rathbone murdered his wife and died himself after going insane.

The new line of Houstons I have found in America, this particular part of the Houston family at the same time as the assassination had children named after the birthplace of Prince Albert. A name not readily available to normal people.

Did you know that Queen Victoria’s husband Prince Albert was related directly to all the major ruling families in Europe and the British empire covered the world supplying indentured servants, Huguenots and were beneficiaries of the goods of the plantations worked and that the Houstons were the major ship owners transporting those goods.

Did you know that freeing slaves and giving them uniforms meant that those plantation owners were being murdered and ravaged? That Lincoln put in charge of those ravaged plantations Bishop Raymond Ames who was married to a Houston relation.

Lincoln authorized legitimacy of religious choice for Quakers which allowed anonymity for the said found Houstons.

The Houstons I have found were world travelers including Cuba and Russia and had black family servitude held up to 1903 and continued state by state to control as judges politicians, land owners and later banks, from indentured servitude migration and providing goods to the rest of the world.

These families were being endangered by Lincoln's policies, humane and correct as they were.

The plot as we know took a lot of planning. Booth likely was not killed because he was ‘family’ and the body found ensured that it couldn’t be identified. Whether the plot was to kidnap or murder might be determined because only one getaway horse it seems was available which would have been inappropriate for a kidnapped party I think. The gun was found the following day by Kent having lost his keys apparently. The president's wife had her back to Rathbone and Harris and in theory could have shot Lincoln in the back of the head as he turned to see who had entered behind him. Mary Todd Lincoln also being related to the Houstons. The rate ore and Harris would not then have seen any gun that Mary may have had.

Motive :- Lincoln’s policies were putting to death those plantation owners ravaged by freed and uniformed servitude and slaves, black or otherwise, because thousands of new Irish were migrating to North Carolina because of the Irish potato famine starvation in Ireland, as was the then Houston progenies.

The Houstons of the new world were residents in the country at least 150 years before the Rockbridge generation and were world wide slave traders. Those plantation owners lives were at risk and they were being killed from Lincoln’s policies.

Whether it was Mary Lincoln with the gun or Booth it is unlikely being related to the Houstons and as previously shown British royal family that they would have been killed.

Insanity and death followed after for all other witnesses or had close involvement.

[Gene C]

(08-07-2020 11:12 AM)Mrchips Wrote:  Whether it was Mary Lincoln with the gun or booth it is unlikely being related to the Houston’s and as previously shown British royal familly that they would have been killed.

I don't understand what you mean here.

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(08-07-2020 11:12 AM)Mrchips Wrote:  Did you know that Stanton’s familly was married to the Houstons.

Who in Stanton's family are you referring to and why is that significant?

[Mrchips]

Thanks for replying again - poor wording from me. Mary was related by marriage to the Houstons, and Booth closely related to royalty and the Hamlins as aforesaid.

I meant that neither Mary nor Booth would likely be killed because of the above relationships.

I did not mean or infer that the royal familly could be killed.

[Gene C]

If Mary is related by marriage to the Houston's, and is not likely to be killed because of that relationship, it doesn't seem to have helped Abraham any.

Nor does Booth's being closely related to royalty (what was that close relationship again?) and the Hamlins seem to have helped him from being killed. Or did he escape from Garrett's barn?

[Mrchips]

(08-07-2020 12:14 PM)Gene C Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 11:12 AM)Mrchips Wrote:  Whether it was Mary Lincoln with the gun or booth it is unlikely being related to the Houston’s and as previously shown British royal family that they would have been killed.

I don't understand what you mean here.

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(08-07-2020 11:12 AM)Mrchips Wrote:  Did you know that Stanton’s family was married to the Houstons.

Who in Stanton's family are you referring to and why is that significant?

Again forgive me - I am speaking from memory ..Stanton having full control of the hearing was himself close to Lincoln although be it straight talking. Nevertheless a powerful government position needed to get the hearing result. Lincoln was surrounded on all sides by Houston’s links. Let’s call it Houston intelligence, there was obviously no Internet then so family was the World Wide Web. The Houstons controlled all aspects of government and subsequently all presidents. Presidents were just people placed at the head. Presidents needed managing. The Houstons had high ranking officials in every state...even those developing states. So what I’m saying is Stanton was controlled and put in place by much higher powers (intelligence). Stanton was linked by marriage through his sister’s daughter subsequently Stanton’s niece. I’m sure if they were prepared to murder a president residual family members of the powerful participant were also deemed to be vulnerable.

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(08-07-2020 12:58 PM)Gene C Wrote:  If Mary is related by marriage to the Houston's, and is not likely to be killed because of that relationship, it doesn't seem to have helped Abraham any.

Nor does Booth's being closely related to royalty (what was that close relationship again?) and the Hamlins seem to have helped him from being killed. Or did he escape from Garrett's barn?

Again specifics are important, but the bigger picture is what is relevant. Mary they could just claim was insane so was not a threat to the plot. Booth, however, was the most likely but still related to the royals so no proof ever existed that his corpse was identified However he might have escaped that could easily have been arranged.
The Booths were related to the Spencers who were related to royalty. Remember under no circumstances would the royals be allowed to be implicated. That’s why intelligence was necessary and the organizers participation hidden. I.e the Houston link I have found. The Booths' grandmother as I recall Wilkes was married in London in the same royal church where where Victoria married Albert St. George’s or St. James I’m not sure which or both churches would be applicable.

The Hamlins provided the finance for the operations be it expense or bribes.

There was no reference to anyone helping Abraham.