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10-08-2012, 12:14 PM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
It's possible, Laurie, but I would imagine it's very distant. John Conger emigrated from England to America in 1665, according to family historian and descendent Ethel C. Heagler in her 1944 pamphlet Conger History, 1664 1941. Maxine Crowell Leonard, another descendent who in 1972 privately published The Conger Family of America writes that the entire Conger family descended from John Conger and his six sons, with her research showing only 37 broken genealogical lines. By most accounts there were about 100 men named Conger who fought during the Civil War. Probably the best-known Conger (or the one that I seem to always run into) was Arthur L. Conger.
Best Rob Abraham Lincoln is the only man, dead or alive, with whom I could have spent five years without one hour of boredom. --Ida M. Tarbell
I want the respect of intelligent men, but I will choose for myself the intelligent. --Carl Sandburg
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10-08-2012, 12:38 PM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
I believe that Steven G. Miller also has told some of us the story of Everton Conger's brother being a U.S. Congressman (or Senator?) who gave Clara Barton the support that she needed in getting the American Red Cross accepted and funded? He did so after she gently reminded him that she had nursed Everton back to health after his very serious war wounds. I remember James O. Hall saying that it was a miracle that Everton could ride a horse in pursuit of Booth.
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10-08-2012, 12:55 PM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
Omar Conger was first a representative from Michigan who then became senator. In 1881, Barton, who was visiting several on Capitol Hill, stopped by Omar's office. While polite, Omar was non-committal. Barton asked him, almost as an aside, if he was related to Colonel Conger. When he replied that he was his brother, Barton told Omar how she had been his nurse when Everton was wounded on the Wilson-Kautz Raid in 1864. From that point, Omar and his wife were strong supporters of the group, even holding meetings in their home to drum up support.
As for Conger on a horse, that was the only way he could get around. Walking for him was very difficult (which is part of the reason he was on horseback during the Wilson-Kautz Raid when everyone else was dismounted). He even had to sleep sitting up in a chair, because sleeping in a prone position was impossible. By the way, he lived for 53 years after 1865. Best Rob Abraham Lincoln is the only man, dead or alive, with whom I could have spent five years without one hour of boredom. --Ida M. Tarbell
I want the respect of intelligent men, but I will choose for myself the intelligent. --Carl Sandburg
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10-08-2012, 01:42 PM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
I'm not certain of this, but I believe that Mr. Hall used to say on our Booth Escape Route Tours that Conger and his men were so exhausted by the time they reached Port Conway, Virginia, on the banks of the Rappahannock River, they had to rest for several hours at Belle Grove, a wonderful plantation home on the site of the birthplace of James Madison (Madison's mother was a Conway).
In the good ole days of Southern hospitality, about six of us pulled into the driveway of Belle Grove in the 1980s just to sneek a peek. The owner at that time, a wonderful lady of about 80 years, was working in her flower beds. We expected to be yelled at, but she was delighted to have company and invited us into this very large, lovely home and showed us downstairs, upstairs, and all over. There were enough sterling silver serving trays, covered trenchards, silverware, candlesticks, etc. to outfit the Willard Hotel. We won't even start on the glassware, china, and knick-knacks from around the world. There was also a very snobby son upstairs lifting weights and quite perturbed that we were horning in on his visit home from Italy to see Mother! You could just tell that he was waiting to inherit the place. This lovely lady was the heiress to a furnace manufacturing company and had married a man who rose to the heights of a rear admiral. It was one of the best house tours I have ever had. |
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12-19-2015, 12:32 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2015 01:03 AM by jabalong.)
Post: #20
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
Hello, I'm new to this group (thanks for adding me Roger!), having stumbled across it while doing some family research (which I'll talk a little about later).
I'm reviving this dormant thread, as my interest is in Edward Doherty, who was my great-great-grandmother's brother. My hope is to get a better idea of what biographical information has been unearthed on him by Lincoln researchers, but I'll start by sharing here some interesting tidbits I have already. Regards, Jeff (10-05-2012 09:36 AM)Rob Wick Wrote: Doherty's tombstone shows him born in 1840, but all I have in my files just say Canada. I've looked through all the files I've got, including his obituary in the New York Times, and it doesn't say specifically where in Canada he was born. The 1840 birth year seems to be a longstanding error. It's present at the time of Doherty's death, appearing on his tombstone and referenced in that New York Times obituary. I have no idea as to when the error dates back to, but I'd love to find out the earliest instance it appears. Wherever it started, that it appears at the end of his life, perhaps he made no effort to correct it so as to appear a little younger.  Doherty was actually born in 1838, as evidenced by his baptismal record, which can be found in Quebec's Catholic parish records here: Quote:"Québec, registres paroissiaux catholiques, 1621-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH...cc=1321742 : accessed 18 December 2015), Drummondville > Saint-Frédéric-de-Drummondville > Index 1816-1876 Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1816-1844 > image 444 of 613; nos paroisses de Église Catholique, Quebec (Catholic Church parishes, Quebec). The reason the record is found in Drummondville, Quebec is that the village of Wickham did not keep its own parish registry until 1865, according to this website which references the following source: Quote:Magnan, Hormisdas, Dictionnaire historique et géographique des paroisses, missions et municipalités de la Province de Québec, 1925, p.474 Settlement of Wickham apparently only began in 1825, with the first church built in 1831. It is this church, St-Peter's (St-Pierre in French), where Doherty was baptized on 30 September 1838, with his baptismal record attesting to his birth four days earlier on 26 September 1838. This birth date of 26 September never seems to have been in doubt, it's just the year that somehow became 1840 at some point. |
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12-19-2015, 04:48 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2015 05:32 AM by jabalong.)
Post: #21
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
(10-05-2012 08:15 PM)Rob Wick Wrote: Doherty's wife was named Catherine T. Doherty, and Frederick Hatch does say she was the daughter of Charles Gautier and they were married in 1871. She died in 1921, but the New York Times only has a notice of her death and not a full obituary. About Doherty's wife, so as not to confuse anyone, I should point out that you had a typo in your post, her middle initial was J not T. Here's the text of that paragraph from the above source (Frederick Hatch, Protecting Lincoln, 2011, p.150): Quote:Doherty was married to Catherine J. Gautier on November 17, 1871. Her father, Charles Gautier, owned the restaurant in Washington where Booth had met with his fellow conspirators. Doherty's son, Charles J. G. Doherty (?-1939), was his only child. Apparently she is buried next to her husband at Arlington National Cemetery, with her gravestone corroborating this name. According to an unofficial website on Arlington, I gather this is the info on their graves from the cemetery's registry: Quote:DOHERTY, EDWARD P I would like to confirm this, but for some reason I can't access the official website of Arlington National Cemetery, nor get their Android app to run either. (Maybe they are blocked from the country where I live?) If either of these work for anyone else, would appreciate if could confirm the above information from their registry. As I understand from the NPR article I linked above, the graves of Arlington have been photographed. If so, would also appreciate if anyone can share a photo of Doherty's wife's grave, if it is available, as well as an official Arlington photo of Edward's, again should there be one. About her full name, I have this article from the O’Dochartaigh Clann Association ("Edward Doherty & the capture of John Wilkes Booth", Ár nDúthcas, February 2008, issue 51, p.12-13). They seem to be a genealogical association and right off the bat some of their information doesn't match (1870 for the marriage instead of 1871, 1922 for Doherty's wife's death instead of 1921), so can take it with a grain of salt. But they do mention that her name was Katherine Josephine Gautier. I gather the Katherine vs Catherine is another mistake, but maybe they have the middle name right. Has anyone encountered her middle name anywhere else? If Doherty's wife's name was in fact Catherine, the confusion with Katherine would probably because she may have been commonly known as Kate. The 1880 US Census in New Orleans has the couple down as "Ed P Doherty" and "Kate J Doherty", along with son Charles abbreviated as "Chs Doherty". Quote:"United States Census, 1880", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDX7-PTV : accessed 19 December 2015), Kate J Doherty in entry for Ed P Doherty, 1880. Does anyone here have access to downloading the image of the actual census page? Apparently you can, but only if "signed-in members of supporting organizations" or "when using the site at a family history center". If not, I'll make a note to go to the center we have here and do it one day. Speaking of New Orleans, in our family we have a photo of the Dohertys, which isn't dated but inscribed as being from their time there. The full inscription reads "Major E. P. & Mrs. Doherty & Chs J. G. Doherty New Orleans". The inscription was probably done on the receiving end, perhaps by my great-grandmother, which I gather would explain the "Major" bit. Don't think he ever was a major, was he? We have a few more photos of the Dohertys, on one of his wife it is inscribed as "Mrs K. J. Doherty". Again this was probably written on the receiving end, so we may very well have written K because of Kate, without necessarily knowing how her full name was spelled if it was Catherine (or not caring and just wanting to put the initial for Kate). That photo should be from 1890, as we have another one from same photographer, which is inscribed as being from Edward to his niece ("To Josephine from her uncle Edward. 1890."). Again I don't know when the inscriptions were made, so can't say for certain that the year is accurate. The niece would be Josephine Marcil in Montreal, daughter of Charles Marcil and Maria Doherty, Edward's sister. Lastly, we have an even later photo, which to me looks like Edward's wife late in life. It doesn't have an inscription, with my grandmother just noting that it was a Doherty and that it was perhaps taken by the Rembrandt Studio on Westchester Ave, NY. |
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12-19-2015, 05:35 AM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
(12-19-2015 04:48 AM)jabalong Wrote: I would like to confirm this, but for some reason I can't access the official website of Arlington National Cemetery, nor get their Android app to run either. (Maybe they are blocked from the country where I live?) Hi Jeff! I just tried both links and the browser hangs on "waiting for...." So it's not just you in Hong Kong (as I recall). I think if you wait a few hours and try again it might work - I really doubt the website is blocked where you are. My guess is that the servers are just slow or down. |
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12-19-2015, 06:17 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2015 07:02 AM by jabalong.)
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
(10-05-2012 09:29 AM)Laurie Verge Wrote: Rob Wick should have some information on Doherty, even though his specialty is Conger. However, the Surratt Courier carried articles on Doherty back in 1989, when the Swann galleries in New York held an auction that included assassination materials from the Edward Doherty Archive. Laurie, I'm sending you a message (at both your usernames actually) to find out more about those articles you mentioned. And if anyone knows of any other articles or what not with info on Doherty's life, I'd be of course interested. 
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12-19-2015, 10:15 AM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
Jeff,
It's been a long time since I had anything to do with Doherty. Here are the grave images which I downloaded from Find-A-Grave. Edward P. Doherty Catherine Doherty I wrote an article for the Journal of the Abraham Lincoln Assassination on the battle for the War Department rewards. I mention Doherty in regards to his part in the battle for the rewards. Also, Doherty was featured in an article in Century Magazine which you may already have. The Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library has some papers of Doherty's that relate to his fight to get more reward money. Good luck! Best Rob Abraham Lincoln is the only man, dead or alive, with whom I could have spent five years without one hour of boredom. --Ida M. Tarbell
I want the respect of intelligent men, but I will choose for myself the intelligent. --Carl Sandburg
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12-19-2015, 11:35 AM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
(12-19-2015 06:17 AM)jabalong Wrote:(10-05-2012 09:29 AM)Laurie Verge Wrote: Rob Wick should have some information on Doherty, even though his specialty is Conger. However, the Surratt Courier carried articles on Doherty back in 1989, when the Swann galleries in New York held an auction that included assassination materials from the Edward Doherty Archive. Got your message and will happily check for those articles from yesteryear in the newsletter of the Surratt Society. More later. |
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12-19-2015, 06:42 PM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
(12-19-2015 05:35 AM)RJNorton Wrote:(12-19-2015 04:48 AM)jabalong Wrote: I would like to confirm this, but for some reason I can't access the official website of Arlington National Cemetery, nor get their Android app to run either. (Maybe they are blocked from the country where I live?) Hello again Roger, I finally got around to posting! Good to know about those websites, thanks! Sometimes I get some funny results over here, so wasn't sure. But glad to hear that I should be able to access them then when they come back online. They're still down, but I'll try again in a few days. |
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12-19-2015, 08:02 PM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
(12-19-2015 10:15 AM)Rob Wick Wrote: Jeff, Ah, thanks, I must have missed her the first time I looked. Went back now and found her page too: Catherine J Doherty ( - 1921) - Find A Grave Memorial Appreciate the articles (and kudos to you on yours). I'm better understanding now some of the mudslinging and conflicting stories around the capture of Booth, Doherty and the others involved. It's fascinating how the prospect of a reward may have actually impeded efforts to get cooperation during the search and then distorted the historical record as the participants adjusted their stories to better suit their own claims. I'm glad you brought up this question of the battle for the rewards, as it leads me to something I was wanting to ask for advice here on, which I'll post about next. |
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12-19-2015, 10:37 PM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
So about that thing I'm looking for advice on...
It flows nicely from this quote in Rob's article above: Quote:Doherty worked hard to get that share. He must have been pulling out all the stops, because I was quite surprised to find that my great-great-grandfather had even written a letter from Quebec to the US government as I suppose a character reference for Doherty and his claim. The letter is dated 16 June 1865 to the Secretary of War from Charles Marcil, the husband of Edward's sister Maria (who I mentioned previously). I came across a transcription of the letter in this book online: William C. Edwards, The Lincoln Assassination: The Rewards Files, 2012, p.202 While I was very excited to find this, the problem is that the transcription is quite garbled so as not really be decipherable. I assume a best guess was made at transcribing the letters of the handwriting, but without an understanding of French to extrapolate the words. But better than nothing, as it led me to it! So my first question is by any chance is William C. Edwards active on these boards? Or if not, does anyone have his contact details? I would like to ask him if he has a scan/photograph of the original document. If he's not known here, I did just find his LinkedIn page, so I can take a stab at trying him there. Alternatively, I'm wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to get a copy from the US National Archives and how one would best go about that? I tracked down the letter in the Archives listings, found the series it belonged to. As per the instructions on the page below, one can request a copy, which did via the email provide (Archives1reference@nara.gov), but did not receive a reply. Record Group 94: Records of the Adjutant General's Office, 1762 - 1984 > Letters Received, 1805 - 1889 Specifically, the letter should be part of the following series: Quote:The library call number is CD 3027. M5 N3 (plus the pamphlet number) Would appreciate any advice on how best to proceed, particularly with the US National Archives. Do they even make scans/copies of documents for researchers on request? |
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12-19-2015, 10:58 PM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
(12-19-2015 10:37 PM)jabalong Wrote: So about that thing I'm looking for advice on... The National Archives does make copies of records for researchers, provided that the request is specific enough. Try using this contact form and providing the information you've provided here. There is a copying fee in most cases. It's generally taken staff a couple of weeks to respond to my requests. https://www.archives.gov/contact/inquire...tml#part-b |
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12-20-2015, 11:13 AM
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RE: Edward P. Doherty
Jeff,
William C. Edwards worked with forum member Ed Steers on the book The Lincoln Assassination: The Evidence so if you can't find contact information maybe you could send Ed a private message. As for the National Archives, good luck in trying to get them to help you. Others may have different experiences but I've never been that lucky. If you want to be sure to get it, and get it while you are still young, your best bet would be to hire a researcher to get it for you. It will obviously cost you more than just a copying fee but I guarantee you will get it much quicker and it will be right. I have an excellent researcher in Washington that I would be happy to put you in contact with if you go that route. She charges $60 an hour but she does excellent work. Thanks for the kind words on my article. Best Rob Abraham Lincoln is the only man, dead or alive, with whom I could have spent five years without one hour of boredom. --Ida M. Tarbell
I want the respect of intelligent men, but I will choose for myself the intelligent. --Carl Sandburg
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