"You Know Best, Captain" Talk by Dave Taylor

[wpbinzel]

If you have not signed up for Boothie Barn, you are missing the link to an excellent presentation given last month at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum in Springfield, IL, by Dave Taylor entitled "'You Know Best, Captain' The Executed Conspirators in Lincoln's Assassination." The link may be found at:

https://boothiebarn.com/2017/07/21/you-k.../#comments

Well done, Dave!!!

[Thomas Kearney]

Dave does great presentations and his jokes are better than mine.

[L Verge]

(07-21-2017 04:08 PM)wpbinzel Wrote:  If you have not signed up for Boothie Barn, you are missing the link to an excellent presentation given last month at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum in Springfield, IL, by Dave Taylor entitled "'You Know Best, Captain' The Executed Conspirators in Lincoln's Assassination." The link may be found at:

https://boothiebarn.com/2017/07/21/you-k.../#comments

Well done, Dave!!!

Excellent job, Dave. I just want to know if ALPLM really did ship you the discarded Booth figure? If so, did it arrive with a broken leg? That time, I couldn't figure out if you were joking or telling the truth!

[John Fazio]

(07-21-2017 07:29 PM)L Verge Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 04:08 PM)wpbinzel Wrote:  If you have not signed up for Boothie Barn, you are missing the link to an excellent presentation given last month at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum in Springfield, IL, by Dave Taylor entitled "'You Know Best, Captain' The Executed Conspirators in Lincoln's Assassination." The link may be found at:

https://boothiebarn.com/2017/07/21/you-k.../#comments

Well done, Dave!!!

Excellent job, Dave. I just want to know if ALPLM really did ship you the discarded Booth figure? If so, did it arrive with a broken leg? That time, I couldn't figure out if you were joking or telling the truth!

Laurie:

Please see my debate challenge to Dave at his BoothieBarn entry concerning his recent speech and radio interview re the assassination. Then let me know what you think about providing a forum for the same.

Thank you.

John

[L Verge]

(07-27-2017 04:00 PM)John Fazio Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 07:29 PM)L Verge Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 04:08 PM)wpbinzel Wrote:  If you have not signed up for Boothie Barn, you are missing the link to an excellent presentation given last month at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum in Springfield, IL, by Dave Taylor entitled "'You Know Best, Captain' The Executed Conspirators in Lincoln's Assassination." The link may be found at:

https://boothiebarn.com/2017/07/21/you-k.../#comments

Well done, Dave!!!

Excellent job, Dave. I just want to know if ALPLM really did ship you the discarded Booth figure? If so, did it arrive with a broken leg? That time, I couldn't figure out if you were joking or telling the truth!

Laurie:

Please see my debate challenge to Dave at his BoothieBarn entry concerning his recent speech and radio interview re the assassination. Then let me know what you think about providing a forum for the same.

Thank you.

John

I don't see your challenge posted yet. It appears that Dave is spending the day posting replies to comments made during the past month while he and Kate were on their Great Boothie Road Trip of 2017.

I'll respond when I see your challenge, but please don't get me in the middle of anything!

[L Verge]

(07-27-2017 05:58 PM)L Verge Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 04:00 PM)John Fazio Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 07:29 PM)L Verge Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 04:08 PM)wpbinzel Wrote:  If you have not signed up for Boothie Barn, you are missing the link to an excellent presentation given last month at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum in Springfield, IL, by Dave Taylor entitled "'You Know Best, Captain' The Executed Conspirators in Lincoln's Assassination." The link may be found at:

https://boothiebarn.com/2017/07/21/you-k.../#comments

Well done, Dave!!!

Excellent job, Dave. I just want to know if ALPLM really did ship you the discarded Booth figure? If so, did it arrive with a broken leg? That time, I couldn't figure out if you were joking or telling the truth!

Laurie:

Please see my debate challenge to Dave at his BoothieBarn entry concerning his recent speech and radio interview re the assassination. Then let me know what you think about providing a forum for the same.

Thank you.

John

I don't see your challenge posted yet. It appears that Dave is spending the day posting replies to comments made during the past month while he and Kate were on their Great Boothie Road Trip of 2017.

I'll respond when I see your challenge, but please don't get me in the middle of anything!

I just read your challenge to Dave to debate you regarding the role of the Confederate government in Booth's plans - and Dave's negative reply to your challenge. I think that is a wise decision. And, in any event, your proposal to stage such a debate at the Surratt conference would have to wait until 2019, because our 2018 program has been set for several months.

Note: The 2018 conference will be the weekend of April 6-8 folks - our 19th one. (And the scoffers of 1999 said we couldn't pull off a conference...)

[Dave Taylor]

I'm glad you all liked the speech. As I said on my site, such a speech would not have been possible if it weren't for the research and work that has come before. I am especially indebted to the scholarship and kindness of Betty Ownsbey, Kate Clifford-Larson, and Dr. Blaine Houmes.

And, to answer your question, Laurie, no, I did not actually receive the removed John Wilkes Booth statue. Apparently you are not the only one who fell victim to my lack of comedic timing. I received an email a week after the speech that said one of the volunteers who attended the program was telling some others who had not attended that I really did have the Booth statue. The head of volunteer services had to reiterate that I was joking. None of you have to worry, however. Even if I had been offered that Booth statue, I would have turned it down because it looks nothing like him.

[John Fazio]

(07-27-2017 07:21 PM)L Verge Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 05:58 PM)L Verge Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 04:00 PM)John Fazio Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 07:29 PM)L Verge Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 04:08 PM)wpbinzel Wrote:  If you have not signed up for Boothie Barn, you are missing the link to an excellent presentation given last month at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum in Springfield, IL, by Dave Taylor entitled "'You Know Best, Captain' The Executed Conspirators in Lincoln's Assassination." The link may be found at:

https://boothiebarn.com/2017/07/21/you-k.../#comments

Well done, Dave!!!

Excellent job, Dave. I just want to know if ALPLM really did ship you the discarded Booth figure? If so, did it arrive with a broken leg? That time, I couldn't figure out if you were joking or telling the truth!

Laurie:

Please see my debate challenge to Dave at his BoothieBarn entry concerning his recent speech and radio interview re the assassination. Then let me know what you think about providing a forum for the same.

Thank you.

John

I don't see your challenge posted yet. It appears that Dave is spending the day posting replies to comments made during the past month while he and Kate were on their Great Boothie Road Trip of 2017.

I'll respond when I see your challenge, but please don't get me in the middle of anything!

I just read your challenge to Dave to debate you regarding the role of the Confederate government in Booth's plans - and Dave's negative reply to your challenge. I think that is a wise decision. And, in any event, your proposal to stage such a debate at the Surratt conference would have to wait until 2019, because our 2018 program has been set for several months.

Note: The 2018 conference will be the weekend of April 6-8 folks - our 19th one. (And the scoffers of 1999 said we couldn't pull off a conference...)

Laurie:

I have no intention of putting you in the middle of anything. As it turns out, there isn't anything to get in the middle of. I'm not sure why you feel Dave's decision is a wise one; debate is a time-honored way of dissecting issues for the purpose of uncovering truth. As you know, almost all colleges and universities have debate teams for this purpose. It is a concrete affirmation and expression of the First Amendment. It is also very stimulating. And, most importantly, it demonstrates a willingness to defend one's convictions publicly. Unfortunately, this one will remain one of the might-have-beens.

John

[Wild Bill]

I agree with John Fazio's challenge to Dave Taylor to debate whether the CS government had anything to do with the Lincoln Assassination. Not am I surprised with Dave's refusal. It would be tantamount to sticking one's hand in a pit bull's mouth. But its immediacy is enduring and I suspect it will come up again--and again, until nothing will stop it. So get ready, people, it is coming. It will not be a might-have-been in the end, I suspect, as it borders on limiting free inquiry.

[Gene C]

Debates are sometimes interesting, but the ones I have witnessed usually don't change anyone's mind.
All they end up showing was who did a better job in stating their side of the discussion.


I always liked Lincoln's idea about settling a disagreement with James Shields. While it probably wouldn't change anyone's mind, and has nothing to do with the merits of either side, it would certainly be more entertaining.
It is still BS by both sides being thrown at each other, only in its basic form.
Cow manure at 20 paces.

[L Verge]

(07-28-2017 05:58 AM)Wild Bill Wrote:  I agree with John Fazio's challenge to Dave Taylor to debate whether the CS government had anything to do with the Lincoln Assassination. Not am I surprised with Dave's refusal. It would be tantamount to sticking one's hand in a pit bull's mouth. But its immediacy is enduring and I suspect it will come up again--and again, until nothing will stop it. So get ready, people, it is coming. It will not be a might-have-been in the end, I suspect, as it borders on limiting free inquiry.

You hit the nail on the head, Bill, for my reason of not thinking the debate would be beneficial -- "tantamount to sticking one's hand in a pit bull's mouth." And frankly, I see little worth that ever comes out of such debates.

Authors, including John, have expressed their viewpoints on this particular issue in published writings for those who care to consider the pros and cons of Confederate participation (and I happen to be one of those who thinks that original planning from that area came even earlier than Booth's arrival on the scene and continued in some form).

Authors Tidwell, Hall, and Gaddy were honest enough to say right up front that, in their investigations, it was doubtful that the issue would ever be satisfactorily settled since it was a covert operation. John pushed the issue further in Decapitating the Union, but still did not prove the involvement within a reasonable doubt, imo.

I don't see a debate at this point arriving at anything new except an audience voting on the strengths of the debaters, not the evidence at hand.

[John Fazio]

Wild Bill, Gene and Laurie:

Thank you for your comments, which I take to be at least partly, if obliquely, complimentary. Gene, debates do change minds. If they didn't, no member of the House and Senate would bother addressing the other members, as they routinely do; they would simply vote on an issue on the basis of opinions they already have. Laurie, I disagree with your conclusion that Decapitating did not prove complicity beyond a reasonable doubt. The evidence, in my judgment, is so compelling that any remaining doubt can only be described as a scintilla, not reasonable. I invite you to review the reviews on Amazon. Nevertheless, there is nothing for us to debate, nor is there anything for Wild Bill and me to debate, inasmuch as you both appear to accept some degree of Confederate government involvement. Still, my offer remains open to anyone who continues to accept the simple conspiracy theory: a debate at a place and time and before an audience of your choosing.

John

[Steve]

I think a big public debate on the issue, whether or not it's by John or David, would be a great way to bring attention to the issue of the Lincoln assassination conspiracy to members of the public that have an interest in history and are vaguely aware of it but don't know the details. It might inspire some to research the issue themselves and come up with their own conclusions. It also might inspire some high schoolers to get interested in the issue and become the Lincoln assassination scholars of the future!

[John Fazio]

(07-28-2017 05:50 PM)Steve Wrote:  I think a big public debate on the issue, whether or not it's by John or David, would be a great way to bring attention to the issue of the Lincoln assassination conspiracy to members of the public that have an interest in history and are vaguely aware of it but don't know the details. It might inspire some to research the issue themselves and come up with their own conclusions. It also might inspire some high schoolers to get interested in the issue and become the Lincoln assassination scholars of the future!

Steve:

Thank you. I quite agree with you. The truth went into hibernation for 123 years (1865-1988) before Tidwell, Hall and Gaddy resurrected it. We owe it these great scholars, now sadly gone, to bring the fruit of their labor to as many as possible by all means necessary and practical. Truth is more important than convenience. Better an inconvenient truth than a convenient falsehood any day.

John

[RJNorton]

(07-28-2017 09:29 PM)John Fazio Wrote:  The truth went into hibernation for 123 years (1865-1988) before Tidwell, Hall and Gaddy resurrected it.

One thing that really makes me curious is a man named Leonard T. Hogan. We have discussed him briefly before on this forum, and information is lacking. What makes me really curious is there is an article which indicates Hogan "was a messenger for the South's high command and was carrying a message to Booth to abandon his plan to kill the president."

"The tale about Hogan provokes some of the most serious thoughts. According to Gault, who was at the gathering that night in 1900, Hogan said he was a runner between the high command of the South and the underground in Washington. On the night of the shooting, Hogan said he had been sent to Washington and ''carried orders forbidding Booth to kill the president.''

Does anyone have anything new on Hogan?

It seems to me if the Hogan story were true then the argument for the Confederate government being behind the assassination is strengthened. If the Confederates were not involved, then why would they try to send a message to Booth to hold off? I would love to know more about Hogan and his veracity or lack of it.