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04-28-2017, 09:27 PM
Post: #16
RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
The Miners visited Washington after Willie died, I think, and N.W. Miner was in contact with Mary up to the point of her death. But he seems prone to embellishment - the getting halfway through the word Jerusalem thing sounds doubtful. It sounds like Mary wanted to smooth the whole theater at Good Friday thing and his actual last words over with saying he'd been talking about visiting the holy land. And that Miner took it and ran with it, after there had been the whole controversy over Lincoln's Christianity.
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04-29-2017, 07:14 AM
Post: #17
RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
I, too, love the Tabby story - I wish there were more thereof. I wonder however why (AFAIK) no other accounts exist - by Jula Taft e.g., or Elizabeth Keckley.
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04-29-2017, 07:27 AM
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RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
That is a very good point, Eva.
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04-29-2017, 08:15 AM
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RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
(04-28-2017 09:27 PM)kerry Wrote:  The Miners visited Washington after Willie died, I think, and N.W. Miner was in contact with Mary up to the point of her death. But he seems prone to embellishment - the getting halfway through the word Jerusalem thing sounds doubtful. It sounds like Mary wanted to smooth the whole theater at Good Friday thing and his actual last words over with saying he'd been talking about visiting the holy land. And that Miner took it and ran with it, after there had been the whole controversy over Lincoln's Christianity.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Abraham and Mary discuss traveling to the Holy Land while on their carriage ride that afternoon? Perhaps the timing was just a little off in the retelling.
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04-29-2017, 08:30 AM (This post was last modified: 04-29-2017 08:31 AM by Gene C.)
Post: #20
RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
This is what Mary claimed.
(Not sure who heard her say it)

So when is this "Old Enough To Know Better" supposed to kick in?
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04-29-2017, 08:38 AM
Post: #21
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Laurie and Gene (you are right) - please go here:
http://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussio...ight=miner
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04-29-2017, 03:51 PM
Post: #22
RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
(04-29-2017 07:14 AM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  I, too, love the Tabby story - I wish there were more thereof. I wonder however why (AFAIK) no other accounts exist - by Jula Taft e.g., or Elizabeth Keckley.


Did Julia Taft ever visit the White House after Willie's death? For some reason, I thought she did not. The Miners visited after his death, so Julia would not have been present. And, as it happened at the table during a meal, Keckly would not have been present either.

I do love the Tabby story and hope it is true.
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04-29-2017, 04:58 PM
Post: #23
RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
(04-29-2017 03:51 PM)Donna McCreary Wrote:  
(04-29-2017 07:14 AM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  I, too, love the Tabby story - I wish there were more thereof. I wonder however why (AFAIK) no other accounts exist - by Jula Taft e.g., or Elizabeth Keckley.


Did Julia Taft ever visit the White House after Willie's death? For some reason, I thought she did not. The Miners visited after his death, so Julia would not have been present. And, as it happened at the table during a meal, Keckly would not have been present either.

I do love the Tabby story and hope it is true.

I don't know my Lincoln history, but didn't Mary Lincoln request that the Taft children not visit again because of the memories? I know Julia was older, but she may have been included in the "ban."
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04-29-2017, 07:22 PM
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RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
(04-29-2017 03:51 PM)Donna McCreary Wrote:  
(04-29-2017 07:14 AM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  I, too, love the Tabby story - I wish there were more thereof. I wonder however why (AFAIK) no other accounts exist - by Jula Taft e.g., or Elizabeth Keckley.


Did Julia Taft ever visit the White House after Willie's death? For some reason, I thought she did not. The Miners visited after his death, so Julia would not have been present. And, as it happened at the table during a meal, Keckly would not have been present either.

I do love the Tabby story and hope it is true.

Julia was later (like a year or two later) invited to some sort of reception by Mary. Tad threw himself on the floor screaming when he saw her, and Mary said "You know what he remembers," but was nice to Julia. I think it freaked Julia out and that was the last time she saw them.
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04-30-2017, 06:28 AM
Post: #25
RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
I think I am missing something here. Wasn't Tabby one of the two kittens William Seward gave the Lincolns in 1861? If so, wouldn't it be possible for Willie and or Tad to have told Julia about their father being in the habit of feeding the cat at the dinner table? I think Tad especially would have thought this to be "cool" if it really happened. I can just "see" Tad telling folks about it. IMO, the fact that Tabby is not mentioned in Julia's book is a factor to be considered in trying decide the veracity of the story.
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04-30-2017, 11:05 AM (This post was last modified: 04-30-2017 11:06 AM by Eva Elisabeth.)
Post: #26
RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
I was wondering if Tabby was one of Seward's kittens. I can see Tad the same and wonder if so why nothing made it into an account. And I wonder why Fanny never (AFAIK) has mentioned the kitties again.
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04-30-2017, 01:56 PM
Post: #27
RE: Willie Lincoln plaque
Personally, I find a fork or spoon gets in the way when I'm eating.
There's nothing quite like sticking your face in the bowl or plate to capture the full aroma of what your eating.
Tongue

Fido

So when is this "Old Enough To Know Better" supposed to kick in?
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04-30-2017, 06:22 PM
Post: #28
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My cat agrees with you.
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