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David Lockmiller · 04-20-2016, 05:45 PM

I think that we have come to a time in history much like the 1860 election.

Wild Bill · (This post was last modified: 04-21-2016 07:29 AM by Wild Bill.)

In many ways, I agee

I agree, too!

ELCore · (This post was last modified: 05-03-2016 06:29 PM by ELCore.)

I came across this image on Twitter this morning. A supporter of Sen. Cruz posted it, I guess to indicate that being "mathematically eliminated" (that is, being unable to get enough pledged delegates to win nomination on the first ballot of the convention) is not necessarily determinative.

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This is how I replied:

Quote:No primary elections in Lincoln's day. Main purpose of convention was to choose nominee from several viable candidates.

https://twitter.com/OneLaneHwy/status/72...2630589440

I hope I was accurate. Smile

L Verge · 05-03-2016, 07:36 PM

(05-03-2016 06:27 PM)ELCore Wrote: I came across this image on Twitter this morning. A supporter of Sen. Cruz posted it, I guess to indicate that being "mathematically eliminated" (that is, being unable to get enough pledged delegates to win nomination on the first ballot of the convention) is not necessarily determinative.

This is how I replied:

Quote:No primary elections in Lincoln's day. Main purpose of convention was to choose nominee from several viable candidates.

https://twitter.com/OneLaneHwy/status/72...2630589440

I hope I was accurate.

On a personal note - I love your description of yourself! May I borrow the use of "contrarian" for my own personal description? The world today is turning me into one very quickly.

ELCore · 05-03-2016, 09:54 PM

(05-03-2016 07:36 PM)L Verge Wrote: On a personal note - I love your description of yourself! May I borrow the use of "contrarian" for my own personal description? The world today is turning me into one very quickly.

Sure.

05-06-2016, 03:38 PM

I'm voting for Al Bundy!

Gencor · (This post was last modified: 05-22-2016 03:31 PM by Gencor.)

(04-16-2016 05:44 AM)LincolnMan Wrote: Getting back to the question posed by the title of this thread: would'nt Lincoln have expected a more dignified election season?

Without a doubt. I really believe that what we are seeing today in the way Trump is running is something that would have embarrassed a man like Lincoln. He was always a gentleman and would have never stood for men talking about women the way Trump does. Lincoln's wife, while not always his greatest adviser, was beloved to him and he would have never shown her or any woman the kind of public or private disrespect that Trump has displayed. Lincoln was not an equal opportunity abuser.

HerbS · 05-22-2016, 04:52 PM

I am going to write in-Mickey Mouse!

RJNorton · 05-23-2016, 04:30 AM

(05-22-2016 03:17 PM)Gencor Wrote: Lincoln was not an equal opportunity abuser.

I agree, Genna. Lincoln even supported suffrage for women as early as 1836.

Eva Elisabeth · 05-23-2016, 06:21 AM

(05-23-2016 04:30 AM)RJNorton Wrote:
(05-22-2016 03:17 PM)Gencor Wrote: Lincoln was not an equal opportunity abuser.

I agree, Genna. Lincoln even supported suffrage for women as early as 1836.

...other than his wife who didn't think it a good idea.

David Lockmiller · 05-23-2016, 10:26 AM

(05-23-2016 06:21 AM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:
(05-23-2016 04:30 AM)RJNorton Wrote:
(05-22-2016 03:17 PM)Gencor Wrote: Lincoln was not an equal opportunity abuser.

I agree, Genna. Lincoln even supported suffrage for women as early as 1836.
...other than his wife who didn't think it a good idea.

Wow! What is the source of this information?

RJNorton · 05-23-2016, 11:45 AM

(05-23-2016 06:21 AM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote: ...other than his wife who didn't think it a good idea.

(05-23-2016 10:26 AM)David Lockmiller Wrote: Wow! What is the source of this information?

Jean Baker, in her Mary Lincoln biography, wrote:

"Female abolitionists and suffragists gained no respect from her; she believed them unwomanly creatures. She had no interest in obtaining the vote, intending instead to influence her husband."

Eva Elisabeth · 05-23-2016, 05:05 PM

Unfortunately there's no o-source footnoted.

Gencor · 05-23-2016, 06:25 PM

At the beginning of the Suffragette movement, most women didn't think it was "Ladylike" to openly show support for the movement. Some women didn't believe in it, even though, during the Civil War and even beyond, women held positions of influence and quietly supported not only the right to vote but also to come out from behind the men and have their own voice. Lincoln always supported women and the movement.

Gene C · (This post was last modified: 05-23-2016 09:01 PM by Gene C.)

I'm not totally sure, but I think Ruth Painter Randal, in her book, Mary Lincoln Biography of a Marriage, mentions Mrs. Lincoln meeting with a group of ladies who were proponents of the Suffragette movement. Mrs. Lincoln did not agree with their views. Unfortunately the book has no footnotes or index. Any one else recall that?