Pictorial representations Lincoln’s deathbed

[Eva Elisabeth]

(08-31-2014 10:59 PM)LincolnToddFan Wrote:  He was so traumatized by the death of his brother Willie he cried for weeks and was only consoled by being permitted to sleep with his father from then on out.

And as for Mary leaving the side of her dying husband to go to the WH and comfort Tad...what???!!

Actually it was Tad who consoled and comforted his mother, saying: "Don't cry so, Mamma! Don't cry, or you will make me cry, too! You will break my heart!"
Yes, he was sensitive and emotional, but IMO he should have been given the choice. His reaction was amazingly mature: "Pa is dead. I can hardly believe that I shall never see him again. I must learn to take care of myself now."

[LincolnToddFan]

Tad behaved amazingly well, without the trauma of being exposed to the horror of the Petersen House. As a result, he was able to console his mother and comport himself in a mature manner with his memories of his beloved father intact, not dying bruised and disfigured. Who knows if it would have been the same if he had been there to see it all? BTW, he did view the remains of his father at the White House and would have been able to say his good-byes to him at that time. Mary also took him to Oak Ridge Cemetery later that year.

I just don't believe he needed to be at the bloody death scene, but I guess we are all just going to have to disagree on this one.

As for James Swanson's suggestion that Mary should have left the dying AL's side to go comfort Tad, I still think it absurd and hypocritical. She would have been ripped to shreds if she'd done that, with her many enemies seeing her absence as proof that she did not really love her husband!

[loetar44]

Lattimer, John F. Kennedy and Lincoln: Medical and Ballistic Comparison of Their Assasinations. New York and London: Harcourt, Brace, 1980 says: “Towels were laid over the red pillow stains whenever Mrs. Lincoln entered the room.”

[Eva Elisabeth]

(09-01-2014 06:38 PM)LincolnToddFan Wrote:  As for James Swanson's suggestion that Mary should have left the dying AL's side to go comfort Tad, I still think it absurd and hypocritical. She would have been ripped to shreds if she'd done that, with her many enemies seeing her absence as proof that she did not really love her husband!

On this I agree! Anyway, I came to think this is not an issue to advise or criticize anyone on how to do it better or right afterwards. No one of us was present or has experienced and felt exactly the same, who knows what we would have done and decided in the very minute - except that I think Mary should have been allowed to be with her husband in this final minutes.

[loetar44]

Humble request: who can help me with the key to E.H. Miller's composite photograph (1866), based on photographic portraits that Alexander Gardner made. Thanks!

   

[Eva Elisabeth]

(09-01-2014 04:10 PM)LincolnToddFan Wrote:  Kees, I am so sorry and heartbroken for you to have lost not only a brother...but your twin! :(It's very generous and brave of you to share this information with us here..thank you.

I totally second Toia!
1. John Hay, 2. P.M.Gen. Dennison, 3. Gen. Meigs, 4. Attorney Gen. Speed, 5. Secret. Usher, 6. Dr. Crane, 7. Secret. Stanton, 8. Surg. Barnes, 9. Ch. Sumner, 10. Robert Lincoln, 11. Mary, 12. Rev. Gurley, 13. Dr. Stone, 14. Alex Williamson, 15. Vice Pr. Johnson, 16. Secret. Welles, 17. Secret. McCulloch, 18. Gen. Augur, 19.Gen. Halleck, 20. Gen. Farnsworth
(You indeed won't regret the purchase of W. E. Reck's "Last 24 Hours"...)

[loetar44]

(09-02-2014 04:15 PM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote:  

(09-01-2014 04:10 PM)LincolnToddFan Wrote:  Kees, I am so sorry and heartbroken for you to have lost not only a brother...but your twin! :(It's very generous and brave of you to share this information with us here..thank you.

I totally second Toia!
1. John Hay, 2. P.M.Gen. Dennison, 3. Gen. Meigs, 4. Attorney Gen. Speed, 5. Secret. Usher, 6. Dr. Crane, 7. Secret. Stanton, 8. Surg. Barnes, 9. Ch. Sumner, 10. Robert Lincoln, 11. Mary, 12. Rev. Gurley, 13. Dr. Stone, 14. Alex Williamson, 15. Vice Pr. Johnson, 16. Secret. Welles, 17. Secret. McCulloch, 18. Gen. Augur, 19.Gen. Halleck, 20. Gen. Farnsworth
(You indeed won't regret the purchase of W. E. Reck's "Last 24 Hours"...)

Thank you Eva for your sweet words and thank you for the key. I'm very grateful to you. I'm really looking forward to Reck's book! However the old saying, “so many books, so little time” certainly applies to me, but I can't resist to buy good books, especially when they are recommended.....

[Gene C]

Some additional deathbed illustrations. I'm not sure of the source of the internet post

http://faculty.cua.edu/johnsong/lincoln/...d%201.html

Although Harold Holzer & Frank Williams are given credit at the end of the article, and here is the book link
http://www.amazon.com/Lincolns-Deathbed-...bed+in+art
only 44 pages

[loetar44]

Riddle: the Alonzo Chappell painting depicted 46 mourners in Lincoln’s death room (not 47; Lincoln is #47), an absolute maximum.

Question: which engraving depicted the smallest number?

Answer: John Tenniel”s engraving “Britannia Sympathises with Columbia, published in the London Punch, May 6, 1865 depicted only three mourners before Lincoln’s deathbed: a woman clutching the American flag, an unshackled and weeping ex slave and Columbia lying a wreath on the bed.

   

[Eva Elisabeth]

And who invented the emoticon?
Tenniel again:
   
Original vintage emoticon! (Love it!)

[L Verge]

Right now, my computer refuses to copy and paste the Faber sketch to accompany this text. If you are not familiar with the sketch, go to http://www.medicalmuseum.mil/index.cfm?p...ln.page_01 Given the immediacy of this sketch being done so quickly after Lincoln's death as well as the doctors who provided details, I would say that this information is among the most accurate as to who was in the room at the time of death.

"Immediately after the removal of Lincoln’s body, Hermann Faber, a medical artist on duty at the Army Medical Museum, entered the room where the president had died and made a sketch, which he showed to Dr. Woodward who provided details of the position of those present at the time of Lincoln’s demise. Drs. Woodward and Barnes approved the accuracy of the sketch.
Sketch of death-bed scene
(From “Lincoln Memorabilia in the Medical Museum of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology,” Bulletin of the History of Medicine, 1958 Jan-Feb;32(1): 68-74.)
NMHM 29,719
Key:
Sketch of death-bed scene, by Hermann Faber. Persons around Lincoln who can be identified (left to right): 1. Gideon Welles, Sec. of Navy, 2. Salmon P. Chase, Sec. of Treasury, 3. Dr. Robert King Stone, Lincoln’s personal physician, 4. Chas. Sumner, U.S. Senator, 5. Dr. Chas. H. Crane, Asst. Surg. Gen., 6. Dr. Jos. K. Barnes, Surg. Gen., 7. Henry W. Halleck, Maj. Gen., 8. Edwin McMasters Stanton, Sec. of War.

[RJNorton]

I was looking through some old editions of Fred Hatch's Journal of the Lincoln Assassination. In the April 1993 edition he includes an article on Willie Clark. According to Fred, Willie Clark did not return until Sunday April 16. Thus, Fred questions whether Clark was really there at the time of Lincoln's death. Fred wonders how Clark allegedly knew the location of the people at the deathbed. This is confusing to me as I have other sources that say Clark returned during the morning of the 15th and was there when Lincoln died.

Fred writes, "Clark signed a note which declared that he had been present at Lincoln's death, though in his letter to his sister he made no such claim."

[Warren]

From an old scrap book, and date unknown (believed 1880s-1890's, this engraving and quote from Mrs. Rector: [undefined=undefined]


Does anyone have a copy of the Oldroyd engraving? This one is a poor woodcut.

[RJNorton]

As far as I know it's only Petersen family lore that has Fred Petersen (whom I believe was 16 years old at the time) holding President Lincoln's feet at the time of death.