Mary Lincoln and Jackie Kennedy

[L Verge]

"My Name Is Kate Wrote:
JFK wasn't a particularly faithful husband, was he?

No he wasn't."

The same can be said of quite a few of our American Presidents. I think we would be safer to judge them on the effects that their term in office have/had on the American way of life.

[My Name Is Kate]

Yes, that is true. I mentioned that about JFK because of what Jackie wrote when he died, about growing old together, etc. I'm puzzled as to why she would have such tender feelings for him.

(It wasn't intended as a judgmental statement.)

[J. Beckert]

I just found this yesterday and it's the first I've heard their marriage had become stronger in 1963.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...d-off.html

[L Verge]

I have seen some sources claim that he had stopped his philandering ways after the scandal with Marilyn and also because of the tragic death of their newborn son in the summer before the assassination. Sometimes it takes scary times to wake someone up. Neither JFK nor Jackie had great role models in their fathers either while growing up.

[My Name Is Kate]

This is a little off-topic, but I'm wondering if anyone here thinks Oswald wasn't the assassin, or wasn't the only assassin. And what about RFK, did Sirhan do it, or somebody else?

[L Verge]

It has only been recently that I have read anything on the supposed conspiracies. However, I just read Roger Stone's The Man Who Killed JFK. It made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. He names so many names that all lead back to one person that it finally got me wondering about the Warren Report. And Stone traces his sources back to the late-1940s. The political picture that he paints (and he was/is a Washington insider) makes today's situation look like tiddlywinks.

Having been friends with Dr. John K. Lattimer and knowing that he supported the Warren Commission's findings makes this especially difficult to figure out.

[Gene C]

There is a lot of unreliable and poor research on the Kennedy assassination, and you don't have to look hard to find it

[Eva Elisabeth]

(11-17-2013 09:18 PM)My Name Is Kate Wrote:  Some believe that George H. W. Bush (who doesn't come off well in Roger Stone's book "The Man Who Killed Kennedy") was behind John Lennon's murder.

??? I've never heard or read this and it wouldn't make any sense to me. J. L. was shot by Mark David Chapman on Dec.8,.1980 (who IMO was doubtlessly insane. After the deed he placidly started reading in "The catcher in the rye".) What influential function or office did G. W. Bush hold at that time? The first I know of was Governor of Texas in 1994. But Lennon was persecuted by the Nixon government due to his anti-Vietnam activism.

[Hess1865]

As talented as Lennon was, he just never knew when it was time to keep his mouth shut

[Eva Elisabeth]

BTW, similar to the future plans Abraham Lincoln made during the carriage ride on Good Friday afternoon, John Lennon recorded an interview for R.K.O.radio on the morning of the day he was shot. Therein he said: "I consider that my work won't be finished until I'm dead and buried and I hope that's a long, long time."

You can listen to this quote at minute 5:30 here:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GURVm11JIeQ...URVm11JIeQ

[Rhatkinson]

If you have any doubts that Oswald was the lone assassin, I would invite you to read "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. He does an excellent job of going through all of the evidence and makes it clear beyond any shadow of a doubt that Oswald was indeed the lone assassin. Many years ago I used to be one of these JFK conspiracy guys, but if you actually look at the evidence, you cannot (rationally) argue that there was a conspiracy, and you certainly cannot argue that there was more than one shooter. There simply wasn't. It was a relatively easy shot for someone with Oswald's training (he was USMC) to make.

I think the reason that so much JFK conspiracy misinformation is out there is because it is hard to believe that someone as insignificant and worthless as Oswald could kill someone as significant as the President of the United States. But he did. There is so much to the JFK story that is simply chance and bad luck (e.g., Oswald getting a job at the Book Depository a month before the assassination, the motorcade route happening to go right by the building, the fact that the motorcade passed the building at lunch time when the building was mostly empty due to people being outside to see the President.)

Many do not know that Oswald tried to assassinate another person (Gen. Edwin Walker) just 7 months before he killed JFK. Walker was spared only because of chance - the bullet nicked a window pane and missed Walker by a fraction of an inch. Oswald was a complete nut. Irrational, violent, angry, and he had delusions of grandeur. If you learn about his history, you see how easy it is to believe that he would assassinate JFK.

Heath

[J. Beckert]

"Case Closed" is an excellent book and Posner did an excellent job of presenting the facts. I've heard Vincent Bugliosi's book is just as good.

[Hess1865]

(11-18-2013 10:49 AM)J. Beckert Wrote:  "Case Closed" is an excellent book and Posner did an excellent job of presenting the facts. I've heard Vincent Bugliosi's book is just as good.

I've read both books and they convinced me that Oswald acted alone.

[RJNorton]

I wonder if there is anything in the Kennedy assassination lore that is outrageous as this regarding Lincoln's assassination. Has anyone ever written that Jackie was the real assassin?

"When Booth actually opened the door to the darkened room where Abe and Mary were sitting, he went into a panic and shock. Abe was asleep with his head on Mary's left shoulder and the First Lady had her head turned toward the left looking at the door. . . When she was sure the man who opened the door was Booth, she turned and looked at the President to be sure the pistol she was pointing would explode beneath the lower left earlobe of her husband. Before Mary pulled the trigger, John Wilkes Booth, drug supplier to the First Lady, realized he was the patsy in all this mess."

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/pandora.htm

[Gene C]

Outrageous is an understatement.
This is a Weird link. (have your morning coffee and your blood pressure med's before you read it)