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07-15-2012, 02:22 PM (This post was last modified: 07-15-2012 06:17 PM by RJNorton.)
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Hi Laurie. Personally I think this is true, at least in in part. Certainly Mary did some things totally separate from Herndon that caused her to have a "reputation." Her negative comments about Mrs. Ord and Mrs. Grant, for example, had nothing to do with Herndon.

Regarding Herndon there is the following explanation which I believe the experts have different "takes" on. For what it's worth, here goes:

In 1837, when they were both very young, they were at a party and Herndon asked Mary to dance. After the dance, Herndon observed that Mary had seemed to glide through the waltz with the ease of a serpent. Mary was furious and responded that she didn't like being compared to a serpent, even if Herndon was just kidding her. She walked away and left him on the dance floor. From then on they never got along, and this cold relationship continued for the rest of their lives. Herndon was opposed to Lincoln marrying into the wealth and aristocracy of Springfield, and he was not invited to the wedding in 1842. Additionally, Herndon felt Mary's temper and personality made for a poor wife and a lousy home life for his law partner.

And, of course, this negative opinion (some writers have even used the word "hatred") of Mary was apparent in his later writings and lectures.
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Mary's Reputation - L Verge - 07-15-2012, 01:57 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - RJNorton - 07-15-2012 02:22 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - David Lockmiller - 06-13-2013, 02:36 AM
RE: Mary's Reputation - Rob Wick - 07-15-2012, 02:53 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - J. Beckert - 07-15-2012, 03:45 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - RJNorton - 07-15-2012, 05:19 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - JMadonna - 07-15-2012, 06:02 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - L Verge - 07-15-2012, 07:31 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - JMadonna - 07-16-2012, 02:15 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - Gene C - 07-15-2012, 09:59 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - RJNorton - 07-16-2012, 06:56 AM
RE: Mary's Reputation - Jennie - 07-18-2012, 04:05 AM
RE: Mary's Reputation - L Verge - 07-16-2012, 11:34 AM
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RE: Mary's Reputation - J. Beckert - 07-16-2012, 11:58 AM
RE: Mary's Reputation - Donna McCreary - 12-24-2012, 12:02 AM
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RE: Mary's Reputation - Ashley Norman - 11-18-2012, 05:16 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - Mike B. - 11-18-2012, 11:22 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - RJNorton - 07-16-2012, 12:07 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - L Verge - 07-16-2012, 12:13 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - HerbS - 07-16-2012, 01:56 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - RJNorton - 07-16-2012, 01:57 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - LincolnMan - 07-16-2012, 10:40 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - Donna McCreary - 07-26-2012, 08:34 PM
RE: Mary's Reputation - RJNorton - 07-17-2012, 05:14 AM
RE: Mary's Reputation - LincolnMan - 07-17-2012, 07:02 AM
RE: Mary's Reputation - LincolnMan - 07-17-2012, 09:55 AM
RE: Mary's Reputation - RJNorton - 07-17-2012, 10:02 AM
RE: Mary's Reputation - LincolnMan - 07-17-2012, 01:06 PM
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RE: Mary's Reputation - Laurie Verge - 07-17-2012, 02:34 PM
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