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Mary and the African American church
04-10-2018, 10:55 AM
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RE: Mary and the African American church
For some reason, I remember reading about these events within the past year or two, and I think it may have been in the fairly new book on Mr. Lincoln's White House. The author's name is escaping me at the moment (maybe even a slightly different title). I'm still "hung-over" from sleep deprivation during the Surratt Conference.
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04-10-2018, 11:00 AM
Post: #17
RE: Mary and the African American church
Lincoln's White House by James Conroy ???

So when is this "Old Enough To Know Better" supposed to kick in?
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04-10-2018, 02:18 PM
Post: #18
RE: Mary and the African American church
(04-10-2018 10:28 AM)Donna McCreary Wrote:  Thank you for posting all of the newspaper articles! But without dates for these articles, I am confused. Were there two events? or one? I found one article about the St. Matthew's Sunday School picnic, and another article about the Baptist Church fund raiser for the banner. So, were the two events combined into one with both churches participating? Or were there two events - one in July and one in August?
There were three different events:

4 July 1864 - Picnic/fundraiser held by St. Matthew's Colored Sunday School on the White House lawn

11 July 1864 - Picnic/fundraiser held by the other St. Matthew's Sunday School (i.e. white) at Washington Park on 7th St.

4 Aug. 1864 - Picnic/fundraiser held by 3rd Colored Baptist Sabbath School on the White House lawn (although, from reading the announcement, it looks like this event was sponsored by several Sunday schools)

Donna the article about the 4 Aug. event is the one I thought you were referring to in your earlier post, it comes from page 3 of the 5 Aug. 1864 edition of the Washington Evening Star. The other three images are advertisements for the upcomming three events that appeared in the Star. Their publication dates (in the order Roger posted them) are:

1. 3 Aug. 1864

3. 1 July 1864

4. 10 July 1864
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04-10-2018, 02:43 PM
Post: #19
RE: Mary and the African American church
(04-10-2018 11:00 AM)Gene C Wrote:  Lincoln's White House by James Conroy ???

I think that's the one...
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04-10-2018, 03:43 PM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2018 03:47 PM by L Verge.)
Post: #20
RE: Mary and the African American church
This isn't what I was thinking of, but Reveille in Washington has a short description of one of the colored picnics:

https://books.google.com/books?id=MmkZzJ...wn&f=false

Here's what I remember from Conroy's book: https://books.google.com/books?id=XfjwDA...wn&f=false
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04-11-2018, 03:50 AM (This post was last modified: 04-12-2018 08:41 AM by Donna McCreary.)
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RE: Mary and the African American church
In his SIX MONTHS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, F. B. Carpenter described the event on July 4. I am surprised that he did not mention that one was held in August. Thanks to everyone for helping me sort this one out.
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05-07-2018, 01:27 PM (This post was last modified: 05-07-2018 01:28 PM by STS Lincolnite.)
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RE: Mary and the African American church
(04-11-2018 03:50 AM)Donna McCreary Wrote:  In his SIX MONTHS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, F. B. Carpenter described the event on July 4. I am surprised that he did not mention that one was held in August. Thanks to everyone for helping me sort this one out.

Donna you find these talks of interest.

They both address aspects of the topic of this thread and are related to the ongoing discussion (especially Burlingame's to my recollection).

Kate Masur

https://www.c-span.org/video/?441631-2/a...er-lincoln


Michael Burlingame

https://www.c-span.org/video/?442254-9/a...-americans


Both speakers were in Springfield and involved in an ongoing discussion related to their talks in the panel session. I was in attendance. I would say there was some disagreement about various aspects of the talks (especially about Mary’s role and view on African Americans) but it was interesting to listen to how different people can interpret the same facts differently based on their own ideas and the influence of other sources that one or the other may not have been familiar with (or again just interpreted differently).
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