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Susan Higginbotham · 06-26-2017, 09:48 PM

(06-26-2017 09:23 PM)wcvet6 Wrote:
(06-21-2017 05:37 AM)RJNorton Wrote:
(06-20-2017 04:47 PM)wcvet6 Wrote: that death photo shows a full beard , the embalmer shaved him, no slight smile as per embalmers report , in fact I believe it to be a bust of his 1861 life mask, abe looked much older at death.

Offhand I cannot think of a single historian who has ever questioned the legitimacy of Dr. Ron Rietveld's magnificent find.

JOHN NICOLAY declined to use it in his 10 volume Lincoln a life.hmmm
that statue in the coffin was not shot in the head nor endure an autopsy where hisw skull was sawed off to remove his brain etc etc.

(06-23-2017 08:37 AM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote: Alas, the story that the Victorians routinely posed the dead standing up with the help of stands is well entrenched on the Internet, thanks to various clickbait articles. The story seems to have originated with crooked photo dealers trying to sell otherwise boring or technically flawed family photographs by claiming that someone in the photograph is dead. The story soon found appeal among those who hold the notion that the Victorians were prudish ghouls, and an Internet legend was born.

The majority of genuine Victorian postmortem photos show people in their coffins, although babies and very young children are occasionally shown in their parent's arms or occasionally propped up in a chair.

The posing stands you see in so many Victorian photographs (including some of the Lincoln boys) were used to help people strike a graceful pose and to stay still. People who own antique ones can tell you that they are simply not sturdy enough to support the weight of a dead person.
the ones leaning unnaturally in some direction are most certialy dead the fireman with brady stand . to general of a blanket conclusion

(06-22-2017 06:01 AM)Eva Elisabeth Wrote: Re.: "to respect others views even if they differ from your own . I feel nobody gave this photo a chance" - please stick to your own request and accept as for me the photo simply doesn't look like Abraham Lincoln to me. Just my perception - if I had come across it it would never have reminded me of him. I'm afraid I do not see what you do, maybe because the photo is so blurred and you may have a better one. I DO respect your opinion. I just cannot see it myself from the means given. (Much more belly also it sems to me btw.)
(My sincere suggestion is to explicitly ask only those to post who agree with you if you don't want to get/hear different opinion.)

another one oh sure I hAVE HUNDREDS is not blurred are you drunk madam.

(06-20-2017 04:18 AM)RJNorton Wrote: Marsha (wcvet6 on the forum) sent this photo. She would like to know if folks think this is/is not Abraham Lincoln.

just look at rj nrtons avtar / picture above the right side of the face exact match .

(06-20-2017 05:56 AM)Gene C Wrote: I will say no, for starters the hair color is wrong. Lincoln had coarse black hair with just a "touch of gray".
This gentleman's hair appears to almost totally gray or white.

he was a member of the whig party. mabey his head was shaved for brain removal the autopsy report is slientv on that .

(06-23-2017 08:53 AM)Gene C Wrote: Why would any one want to or try to take a picture of a standing post mortem Lincoln?
Surely if this happened or was attempted there would be some record (newspaper, diary, White House leak)

Before Rietveld found the photo of Lincoln in his coffin, was there any record or mention that photo even existed?

mabey mary had it taken.

The "fireman" is notorious among Victorian photograph collectors as a bogus postmortem photo, along with the girl in the fairy costume, the girl in her First Communion dress, and (my favorite) the very much alive young Lewis Carroll.

Do you seriously think that Mary Lincoln would have allowed anyone to pose her beloved husband as a standing corpse?