Thomas F. Harney
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08-04-2015, 11:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-04-2015 11:50 PM by SSlater.)
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RE: Thomas F. Harney
(08-03-2015 09:27 PM)SSlater Wrote:ene C.(08-03-2015 08:35 PM)Gene C Wrote: John, this is from the book "This Awful Drama" p. 152 Gene C. See your 1st Footnote. You may have copied from the manuscript of Rev. Stephen F. Cameron. It contains all the notes he could find, and was preparing to write a book on "THE HISTORY OF THE CONFEDERATE SECRET SERVICE. Unfortunately, he never wrote the book. The file has copies of the letters you mention. I am not questioning what you read, but I didn't see that letter. Another item that is different, I read that Thompson went to Portland, Maine, alone,and was there on April 14. He was spotted there by the Provost Marshal - Do you know that story? (08-04-2015 10:49 PM)Gene C Wrote:(08-03-2015 09:27 PM)SSlater Wrote: I will wait until you finish your post, and add my two cents. That's a great post. That's the first time I was able to see the poor judgment, all in one place. They never questioned his loyalty, it was as you show. I am aware that he was asked to return, but I thought it was for another assignment. He never had time to return,, the war ended. |
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08-05-2015, 06:40 AM
(This post was last modified: 08-05-2015 06:57 AM by Rick Smith.)
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RE: Thomas F. Harney
(08-04-2015 10:38 PM)Rosieo Wrote:(08-04-2015 08:50 PM)Rick Smith Wrote:(08-04-2015 07:30 PM)John Fazio Wrote:(08-04-2015 06:39 PM)Rick Smith Wrote:(08-04-2015 04:29 PM)John Fazio Wrote: Rick: John, What is a flagger? This is not a term I am familiar with. Rick John, I do not display or own a Confederate flag, although I have no objection to others who do. An interesting point was made by Bill Richter, who said the Stars and Stripes flew over slavery for 88 years, while the Confederate flag flew for only four. I think that General Lee was right when he said that slavery was a great moral evil, but think that changing the name of Jeff Davis Highway, which runs through Virginia, is ridiculous. Rick |
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08-05-2015, 07:25 AM
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I agree with you Rick about the Jeff Davis Highway! History is history,whether it be termed as Confederate or U.S.history! I feel that Bill Richter is a very eloquent man!
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08-05-2015, 07:33 AM
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(08-04-2015 11:06 PM)SSlater Wrote: Gene C. See your 1st Footnote. You may have copied from the manuscript of Rev. Stephen F. Cameron. It contains all the notes he could find, and was preparing to write a book on "THE HISTORY OF THE CONFEDERATE SECRET SERVICE. Unfortunately, he never wrote the book. The file has copies of the letters you mention. I am not questioning what you read, but I didn't see that letter. Another item that is different, I read that Thompson went to Portland, Maine, alone,and was there on April 14. He was spotted there by the Provost Marshal - Do you know that story? First, I admire, respect, and appreciate those of you who search into the museums and libraries and find letters and manuscripts, old church records and cemeteries, city directories, census info and other places. I have no idea how to do that, where to look and what to look for, and don't have the patience if I did know. Y'all have uncovered and brought back into the light some amazing things. I don't know the story of Thompson in Portland. Love to hear it. So when is this "Old Enough To Know Better" supposed to kick in? |
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08-05-2015, 07:59 AM
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(08-05-2015 07:43 AM)Rosieo Wrote:(08-05-2015 06:40 AM)Rick Smith Wrote: [ My apologies to John and to you, Roseio, as I thought that it was a question from John, and no offense taken. Unreconstructed, at least to me in these days, means not to be subject to political correctness or going with the crowd, but to stand for your beliefs, in an appropriate way, with courtesy. John asked earlier if I thought that admitting one's errors was a sign of courage; I do believe that. It is one of the defining qualities of manhood to admit when you are wrong and to learn from it. Here is a quote from a man I truly admire and respect, speaking of manhood and Christian manhood in particular: "Circumstances do not dictate your character; they reveal it; and become the opportunity to refine and grow it." Rick (08-05-2015 07:25 AM)HerbS Wrote: I agree with you Rick about the Jeff Davis Highway! History is history,whether it be termed as Confederate or U.S.history! I feel that Bill Richter is a very eloquent man! Thanks, Herb. Bill is a master of the written word. He is also a good and generous friend. Rick |
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08-05-2015, 12:25 PM
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Back to the Judah Benjamin theme: We have mentioned briefly before a controversial (and very convoluted) theory proposed in a posthumous publication entitled Dixie Reckoning. It focuses a great deal on the "NY Crowd."
A decade ago, I was "allowed" to read the ms. for DR, and I made notes along the way. On page 105 of the ms. mention is made of a 1909 book entitled Retrospectives of an Active Life by John Bigelow. Bigelow states that Seward knew that Judah Benjamin and James Mason were privy to Booth's plot because the assassins had gold on hand -- and no gold was in circulation in the U.S. at that time. I never checked this out; anyone have info on the U.S. monetary system in 1865? I thought we were on the double standard. |
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08-05-2015, 12:45 PM
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(08-04-2015 10:38 PM)Rosieo Wrote:(08-04-2015 08:50 PM)Rick Smith Wrote:(08-04-2015 07:30 PM)John Fazio Wrote:(08-04-2015 06:39 PM)Rick Smith Wrote:(08-04-2015 04:29 PM)John Fazio Wrote: Rick: Rick: I don't know what a "flagger" is. John |
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08-05-2015, 04:29 PM
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Rick:
I don't know what a "flagger" is. John John, I realized after my response was sent that it was Rosieo who asked me that question at the end of your post to me and it looked like a tag onto yours. I did respond to Rosieo this morning. My apologies for the confusion. Rick |
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08-06-2015, 12:52 PM
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RE: Thomas F. Harney
(08-05-2015 12:45 PM)John Fazio Wrote:(08-04-2015 10:38 PM)Rosieo Wrote:(08-04-2015 08:50 PM)Rick Smith Wrote:(08-04-2015 07:30 PM)John Fazio Wrote:(08-04-2015 06:39 PM)Rick Smith Wrote: John, Rick: The document I wish to refer you to is South Carolina's Declaration of its Reasons for Seceding from the Union (that may not be its exact title; it has been a long time since I read it). Observe that it says not a word about tariffs or any of the other alleged causes of the war, but that it has a great deal to say about slavery. Statements of a like kind made by the other seceding states are largely the same in this respect. You say that slavery was the worst reason to fight and that no slave was worth even one of the 700,000 dead. Well, the document(s) to which I just referred you should remove all doubt from your mind that that in fact was what the South fought for. I believe it is time for the unreconstructed to bite the bullet and acknowledge that it was a mistake for the South to fight to preserve slavery. Yes, there were many dimensions of the root cause: the political dimension, the economic one, the social one, the cultural one. But they were all tied to the institution of slavery, which, therefore, really was the ultimate cause of the war. John |
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08-06-2015, 01:24 PM
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A little story. When I went to grad school and had to grade students' papers in basic US history, all the profs taught Fazio's notion that slavery was the cause of the CW. This holds particularly true in SC, which is a unique state in the South and the Nation in many ways. Yet one sweet thing wrote her paper and then added a paragraph saying that her daddy said it was state rights, and she felt the profs were wrong, and went on to prove it. All the graders wanted to flunk her for straying from the straight and narrow, but I disagreed and said she was the only student who tried to think and she ought to receive an "A." But I did not get to grade her paper as she was in different class section. I think she got a "C." At least I saved her from an "F."
The book that Fazio wants you to read, Rick, is Charles B. Dew, Apostles of Secession: Southern Secession Commissioners and the Causes of he Civil War (Virginia, 2001). Don't feel bad, Fazio has not read it either, right John?. |
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08-06-2015, 02:11 PM
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(08-06-2015 01:24 PM)Wild Bill Wrote: A little story. When I went to grad school and had to grade students' papers in basic US history, all the profs taught Fazio's notion that slavery was the cause of the CW. This holds particularly true in SC, which is a unique state in the South and the Nation in many ways. Yet one sweet thing wrote her paper and then added a paragraph saying that her daddy said it was state rights, and she felt the profs were wrong, and went on to prove it. All the graders wanted to flunk her for straying from the straight and narrow, but I disagreed and said she was the only student who tried to think and she ought to receive an "A." But I did not get to grade her paper as she was in different class section. I think she got a "C." At least I saved her from an "F." Thanks, Bill. I will probably not get around to reading it. John, You obviously either did not read my earlier response to you regarding "unreconstructed" or you have misunderstood it. I did not keep any slaves, nor did I fight to keep any, so I can offer no guilt laden apology to you for this. Rick |
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08-06-2015, 02:58 PM
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RE: Thomas F. Harney
(08-06-2015 02:11 PM)Rick Smith Wrote:(08-06-2015 01:24 PM)Wild Bill Wrote: A little story. When I went to grad school and had to grade students' papers in basic US history, all the profs taught Fazio's notion that slavery was the cause of the CW. This holds particularly true in SC, which is a unique state in the South and the Nation in many ways. Yet one sweet thing wrote her paper and then added a paragraph saying that her daddy said it was state rights, and she felt the profs were wrong, and went on to prove it. All the graders wanted to flunk her for straying from the straight and narrow, but I disagreed and said she was the only student who tried to think and she ought to receive an "A." But I did not get to grade her paper as she was in different class section. I think she got a "C." At least I saved her from an "F." "Ideals", "Causes", "Results", are very important reasons to Debate. But this thread was intended to seek information on Harney, Thomas Francis. Please take your ranting and raving elsewhere, so I can skip it. |
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08-06-2015, 08:30 PM
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RE: Thomas F. Harney
I think we have hit an all time low "No slave was worth even one of the 700,000 casualties"?
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08-06-2015, 08:36 PM
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I think it's time to change the subject.
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08-06-2015, 09:02 PM
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If it needs to be moved to the "other" category that's fine. "No slave was worth even one of the 700,000 casualties", is a statement I do not agree with. It's hard to give that a pass. Maybe I'm the only one that thinks that, but I doubt it.
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