(11-03-2015 12:29 AM)Pamela Wrote:  Parenchymatous, I think. She died one day before Annie Weichmann.

(11-03-2015 12:53 AM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 12:29 AM)Pamela Wrote:  Parenchymatous, I think. She died one day before Annie Weichmann.

Thanks! Chronic parenchymatous nephritis. One site says this is synonymous with Bright's disease, which killed Kate Chase Sprague as well.

Quote:Note that even on her deathbed, Sarah was not forthcoming about her age!

(11-03-2015 04:14 AM)John Fazio Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 12:53 AM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 12:29 AM)Pamela Wrote:  Parenchymatous, I think. She died one day before Annie Weichmann.

Thanks! Chronic parenchymatous nephritis. One site says this is synonymous with Bright's disease, which killed Kate Chase Sprague as well.

Susan:

Are you absolutely certain this is in fact Sarah Slater's death certificate? If the estimated age at death (65 or even 66) is accurate, she would have been 10 or 11 in 1865 inasmuch as the date of the certificate is 1920.

John

(11-06-2015 12:21 AM)SSlater Wrote:  (I hope this works) The whole certificate is a mess. But, IT IS SARAH.
1. Her mother's maiden name was Rayaud. "A. Raynaud" became Sarah's Code name, You can find her in the SLH Register with John Harrison on April 18, when they got back from Elmira. The St. Albans Raiders didn't know by any other name.
2. Her Occupation was really "Trained Nurse", but she wasn't working at the end of her life.
3. Birthplace of her Father - not Conn. He was from he Trinidad Area.
4.Her Father was Jos. M.
5. Her Husband (at this time) was SPENCER, but he was also her Brother in law. He was married to her sister, until she died.
6.Sarah's tombstone at "Poughkeepsie Rural" is shown in "Find A Grave". along with her sister Josephine E. Loftin and her Mother A. R. Gilbert.
7. Sarah did not live in "Pokie" for 20 Years, She married Spencer in New York City, and they lived there until he died. He was a Clerk in the Police Dept. She was married in "The Little Church Around the Corner."
8. I have a Picture of 6 Grub Street. Some men lived on the 1st floor and she lived above.
9 Her Death Certif. was provided by her "baby" brother. Joseph. He lived in Reading PA. She had another brother in Hazleton, PA
I talked to one of their children and asked if they would like to know more about Sarah. They said NO.
10She had brothers in Jax, FL and in Hoboken, NJ
(I also have a Birth Certif, and Divorce Papers. and Josephine's Marriage Certif. and more.)
I am getting all these papers ready to give to Laurie, they are a mess, so it will take time.
Sahrah also had some family in Atlantic City.
Susan Do You need anything more at this time ?
I can tell you where she was Every Day of her Life. (She may have been on a train, but I know where it started and ended.)
I'm working on Harney now.

(11-06-2015 12:21 AM)SSlater Wrote:  (I hope this works) The whole certificate is a mess. But, IT IS SARAH.
1. Her mother's maiden name was Rayaud. "A. Raynaud" became Sarah's Code name, You can find her in the SLH Register with John Harrison on April 18, when they got back from Elmira. The St. Albans Raiders didn't know by any other name.
2. Her Occupation was really "Trained Nurse", but she wasn't working at the end of her life.
3. Birthplace of her Father - not Conn. He was from he Trinidad Area.
4.Her Father was Jos. M.
5. Her Husband (at this time) was SPENCER, but he was also her Brother in law. He was married to her sister, until she died.
6.Sarah's tombstone at "Poughkeepsie Rural" is shown in "Find A Grave". along with her sister Josephine E. Loftin and her Mother A. R. Gilbert.
7. Sarah did not live in "Pokie" for 20 Years, She married Spencer in New York City, and they lived there until he died. He was a Clerk in the Police Dept. She was married in "The Little Church Around the Corner."
8. I have a Picture of 6 Grub Street. Some men lived on the 1st floor and she lived above.
9 Her Death Certif. was provided by her "baby" brother. Joseph. He lived in Reading PA. She had another brother in Hazleton, PA
I talked to one of their children and asked if they would like to know more about Sarah. They said NO.
10She had brothers in Jax, FL and in Hoboken, NJ
(I also have a Birth Certif, and Divorce Papers. and Josephine's Marriage Certif. and more.)
I am getting all these papers ready to give to Laurie, they are a mess, so it will take time.
Sahrah also had some family in Atlantic City.
Susan Do You need anything more at this time ?
I can tell you where she was Every Day of her Life. (She may have been on a train, but I know where it started and ended.)
I'm working on Harney now.

(11-06-2015 02:23 PM)L Verge Wrote:  "The business about casing out the prison there for a possible breakout has an odor to it; Grant had resumed prisoner exchange in January and had set a goal of 3,000 per week."

I'll just take a moment to be picky about the above statement because I have spent so many years listening to people disparage the thought that John Surratt would have been assigned to case the joint at Elmira (affectionately known as Hellmira) Prison Camp as late as April of 1865. There were still a large number of Confederate prisoners held at just that one camp - and there were hundreds of thousands more held in similar camps both North and South.

When one states that the prisoner exchange was resumed under Grant on January 24,1865, with an anticipated release of 3000/week, one is giving the impression that gates immediately opened and quickly released the inmates. We all know that government never runs things that efficiently!

How long did it take for the orders to filter down to each prison commander? How long did it take to determine who would be the first prisoners released? How much paperwork was involved? Where would they be transferred before official release from military duty or reassignment? Where would the special needs inmates (those in need of immediate medical care) be sent? How quickly could even 3000 be processed out?

Just wrap your brain around the fact that Andersonville alone had over 30,000 prisoners. Moving at great efficiency, that would take at least ten weeks to clean out just that one camp. That would move just its closing into the month of March 1865. And, after Sherman delivered Savannah to President Lincoln as a Christmas gift in 1864, the health issues just there became more dire as the Union forces laid total destruction to crops, animals, mills, etc. -- anything that could supply citizenry, and that included those dying in the prisons.

That said, why is it so darned hard to believe that John Surratt was sent on a side mission by Gen. E.G. Lee to check out the situation in Elmira (likely for the purpose of determining the possibility of getting those prisoners into Canada for medical assistance)? Why wait any longer for Booth to accomplish something? If Surratt is on the Confededrate payroll, he'll do what the Confederate commanders request -- and he'll be a lot closer to safe territory in Canada if something does go wrong.

By the way, was Grant's goal of freeing 3,000 prisoners a week ever met, even one week?

(11-06-2015 02:23 PM)L Verge Wrote:  "The business about casing out the prison there for a possible breakout has an odor to it; Grant had resumed prisoner exchange in January and had set a goal of 3,000 per week."

I'll just take a moment to be picky about the above statement because I have spent so many years listening to people disparage the thought that John Surratt would have been assigned to case the joint at Elmira (affectionately known as Hellmira) Prison Camp as late as April of 1865. There were still a large number of Confederate prisoners held at just that one camp - and there were hundreds of thousands more held in similar camps both North and South.

When one states that the prisoner exchange was resumed under Grant on January 24,1865, with an anticipated release of 3000/week, one is giving the impression that gates immediately opened and quickly released the inmates. We all know that government never runs things that efficiently!

How long did it take for the orders to filter down to each prison commander? How long did it take to determine who would be the first prisoners released? How much paperwork was involved? Where would they be transferred before official release from military duty or reassignment? Where would the special needs inmates (those in need of immediate medical care) be sent? How quickly could even 3000 be processed out?

Just wrap your brain around the fact that Andersonville alone had over 30,000 prisoners. Moving at great efficiency, that would take at least ten weeks to clean out just that one camp. That would move just its closing into the month of March 1865. And, after Sherman delivered Savannah to President Lincoln as a Christmas gift in 1864, the health issues just there became more dire as the Union forces laid total destruction to crops, animals, mills, etc. -- anything that could supply citizenry, and that included those dying in the prisons.

That said, why is it so darned hard to believe that John Surratt was sent on a side mission by Gen. E.G. Lee to check out the situation in Elmira (likely for the purpose of determining the possibility of getting those prisoners into Canada for medical assistance)? Why wait any longer for Booth to accomplish something? If Surratt is on the Confededrate payroll, he'll do what the Confederate commanders request -- and he'll be a lot closer to safe territory in Canada if something does go wrong.

By the way, was Grant's goal of freeing 3,000 prisoners a week ever met, even one week?

(11-06-2015 03:01 PM)John Fazio Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 02:23 PM)L Verge Wrote:  "The business about casing out the prison there for a possible breakout has an odor to it; Grant had resumed prisoner exchange in January and had set a goal of 3,000 per week."

I'll just take a moment to be picky about the above statement because I have spent so many years listening to people disparage the thought that John Surratt would have been assigned to case the joint at Elmira (affectionately known as Hellmira) Prison Camp as late as April of 1865. There were still a large number of Confederate prisoners held at just that one camp - and there were hundreds of thousands more held in similar camps both North and South.

When one states that the prisoner exchange was resumed under Grant on January 24,1865, with an anticipated release of 3000/week, one is giving the impression that gates immediately opened and quickly released the inmates. We all know that government never runs things that efficiently!

How long did it take for the orders to filter down to each prison commander? How long did it take to determine who would be the first prisoners released? How much paperwork was involved? Where would they be transferred before official release from military duty or reassignment? Where would the special needs inmates (those in need of immediate medical care) be sent? How quickly could even 3000 be processed out?

Just wrap your brain around the fact that Andersonville alone had over 30,000 prisoners. Moving at great efficiency, that would take at least ten weeks to clean out just that one camp. That would move just its closing into the month of March 1865. And, after Sherman delivered Savannah to President Lincoln as a Christmas gift in 1864, the health issues just there became more dire as the Union forces laid total destruction to crops, animals, mills, etc. -- anything that could supply citizenry, and that included those dying in the prisons.

That said, why is it so darned hard to believe that John Surratt was sent on a side mission by Gen. E.G. Lee to check out the situation in Elmira (likely for the purpose of determining the possibility of getting those prisoners into Canada for medical assistance)? Why wait any longer for Booth to accomplish something? If Surratt is on the Confededrate payroll, he'll do what the Confederate commanders request -- and he'll be a lot closer to safe territory in Canada if something does go wrong.

By the way, was Grant's goal of freeing 3,000 prisoners a week ever met, even one week?

Laurie:

Let us grant that there was some value in casing out Hellmira. That still leaves open the two questions: 1) What happened to Surratt's being "ordered" to Washington "immediately" by Booth, especially after he allegedly telegraphed Booth in New York from Elmira and learned that he had already left for Washington, and especially because he allegedly told McMillan that in response to Booth's order, he left Montreal "immediately" for Washington? 2) Do we really know that Sarah went with him to Montreal, and then to Elmira, and then back to Montreal after the assassination?

John

(11-06-2015 04:03 PM)L Verge Wrote:  When Richmond fell on April 3, Booth became the loose cannon that broke away from its moorings on the good ship CSA. He may have thought he was still boss of some people (i.e. Herold and Paine), but that was one of his personality flaws...

By the evening of April 11, the full force of evil demons had taken over Booth's actions.