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RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - Rsmyth - 09-12-2012 10:52 AM

As Dave included in his blog, J. WM Plant (James William) was the undertaker that handled George's remains. It appears Plant kept detailed records of his services. This bill and others like it have been collected by the University of North Texas Libraries, The Portal to Texas History, http://texashistory.unt.edu for Civil War soldiers embalmed and sent back to Texas by Plant.

I do not know if the rest of his records have been saved or where they may be. If they could be located they might indicate where George's body went after it left Glenwood's receiving vault.
So, is George's mother Victoria buried in Druid Hill without him?
BTW - Plant's father James K. Plant was a Cabinet, Chair and Sofa Manufacturer. North side Pennsylvania Ave. between 9th and 10th west (Wash. Dir., 1834). Keeping it in the family, could this James have supplied the coffin George was buried in?
Interestingly J. WM. Plant's brother, Josepth T.K. Plant testified for the defense of Ed Spangler and about the condition of the locks on Boxes 7 and 8 in Ford's Theatre, which comprised the Presidential Box. He also testified about the hole in the door of Box 7. This Plant was a cabinet maker and dealer in furniture so could also have manufactured a coffin.

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - Jim Garrett - 09-12-2012 07:33 PM

As to be expected, this group can dig up (no pun) the greatest details that take the study of the "LA" to depths that would probably never have been anticipated by someone like Jim Bishop.

I'm waiting for Dave or Rich to find the picture of John Atzerodt.

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - RJNorton - 09-13-2012 04:40 AM

(09-12-2012 07:33 PM)Jim Garrett Wrote: I'm waiting for Dave or Rich to find the picture of John Atzerodt.

Please also find:

1. Peanut John Burroughs.
2. Ella ("Nellie") Starr Turner.
3. John Lloyd.

Thank you.

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - Laurie Verge - 09-13-2012 07:59 AM

I certainly agree, Roger. And please confirm that the picture of Sarah Slater in Headley's book is really of Sarah.

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - RJNorton - 09-13-2012 08:34 AM

Here is the picture of Sarah Slater from Headley's book which Laurie referred to above. I think she is a nice looking woman, and I hope John Stanton sees this and tells us if this in indeed Sarah. Also, John, if you see this thread, were Sarah Slater and "French Kate" the same person or two different women?

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - John Stanton - 09-13-2012 08:41 PM

(09-13-2012 08:34 AM)RJNorton Wrote: Here is the picture of Sarah Slater from Headley's book which Laurie referred to above. I think she is a nice looking woman, and I hope John Stanton sees this and tells us if this in indeed Sarah. Also, John, if you see this thread, were Sarah Slater and "French Kate" the same person or two different women?

I have tried to reply twice, but when I go to Post, I'm off-line. I will send you the reply by email, and ask you to post it so that the others will know. JFS

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - RJNorton - 09-14-2012 08:40 AM

John Stanton had a problem posting; he replied via e-mail: (Thank you, John!)

The identification of the lady in Headley's book has not
or can not be confirmed by any specific rhetoric. We will
have to rely on logic. Here goes!

1. The Rev. Stephen F. Cameron, was in Canada in Dec '64
and Jan '65 with Sarah. He also knew her in Richmond and
knew who she was and what her assignment was. He identified
her positively as the lady thet went to Richmond for the
Radiers docments.

2. Headley also associated with Sarah in Canada, but, I
think that he never knew her real name. She signed the SLH
Register one time as "Nettie Slater". Beyond that she used
(IMO) the Name "A. Reynaud". (That was her mother's maiden
name.) Headley knew her as "The Widow".(Because she dressed
that way.)

When Headley and the Raiders saw the picture, they
recognized her as the lady who traveled in their cause, but
did not remember her name.(If they ever knew it.)
The police at the jail, knew that the picture was the lady
that traveled.

So, if everyone says "That is the lady who went to
Richmond" and Cameron says "that it was Sarah that went to
Richmond", then the picture has to be Sarah.

If you need cites, I'll look them up.

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I have read the book by Ben Hogan about "French Kate".
I have a vague confirmation to offer, that I cannot prove
completely.

Hogan wrote his book 30 or 40 years after his romance
with French Kate, when he needed money. That would give him
suffficient time to scare-up some spicy stories, to sell
his book. Apparently, there was a real "French Kate" in Oil
City. (The "Historical Society" sent me some info on her -
and questioned why I was interested in her).

However, I have some valid information that Sarah lived
elsewhere, during the time period when he claims she lived
with him. Sarah was in Canada, into the summer of 1865, not
in Oil City. From testimony given during her divorce
hearings, she testified that she lived on 84th Street
between Avenue A and First Avenue- NYC, from May 1865
until the hearings in 1866. BUT - under what name? She is
not shown in the City Directory. Her Brother is there, but
not her. That is not unusual, because the Directory usually
shows only the head of the household.

I doubt that she would have lied to a Court that could
easily disprove her statement, and deny her the divorce.
Now I will give you my theory, totally unproven, but I am
still lookin'. I think she had remarried before she got the
divorce, believing she was really a Widow. The hearings
were for real, but I question the urgency, and the "solid",
"Unquestionable", testimony. But, it may be right.

The answer to One or Two Ladies. I say Two. For that matter, I
couldn't PROVE that Hagan had an afffair with "French
Kate", he was such a braggard.

JOHN

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - RJNorton - 09-19-2012 09:13 AM

Dave has just posted more information.

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - BettyO - 09-19-2012 09:23 AM

Fantastic -- Dave's on the hunt.....!

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - Laurie Verge - 09-19-2012 02:29 PM

I posted this earlier on Dave's forum, but I also suggest that we consider Prospect Hill Cemetery in D.C. also. It is in the same proximity as Glenwood and was established in 1858 by the German American community of D.C. During this era, immigrant communities were very inclined to keep things in "their family."

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - RJNorton - 10-18-2012 05:00 PM

(08-26-2012 01:23 PM)Dave Taylor Wrote: Samuel J. Seymour is buried in the same cemetery as the Fords in Baltimore.

Possibly this has been posted before but the video of Mr. Seymour's 1956 appearance on I've Got A Secret is here.

RE: Baltimore burials...Atzerodt and others. - Gene C - 07-29-2017 10:53 AM

Is this the book mentioned in Post #22 written by Ben Hogan?

https://archive.org/stream/lifeadventuresof00hoga#page/n7/mode/2up

There is an illustration, no photo's in the book, of French Kate on page 70.

I haven't read the book. What, if any, is the connection to Sarah Slater and/or Lincoln's Assassination?