02-21-2013, 10:48 AM,
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BettyO
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RE: Useless, useless
I believe that what JWB was saying was perhaps twofold -
He asked to view his hands. Therefore he was bemoaning the fact that his hands themselves were useless AND I also believe that he, at the end, was uttering the finality that his act of "saving the South" itself was useless. He had read the papers - he knew that as he stated in his diary, that "every man's hand was against him." Forced to be on the run, treated like a criminal - not the welcomed hero he believed. He, at the end, knew that his life was wasted and damned by perpetuating this useless crime. He destroyed Lincoln's life, Seward and Seward's family, Davey's life, the lives of the other conspirators as well his own. It was all "Useless"......
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02-21-2013, 10:54 AM,
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RE: Useless, useless
The best one is from J Dennis Robinson, The 'New' Dying words of JWB," in As I Please, 2 (No. 5, April 20, 1998) at seacoastnh.com, believes that Booth was looking at the ring Lucy Hale supposedly had given him, when Lt. Baker raised his hands. He uttered "Lucy, Lucy," but his tongue was nearly paralyzed so the words came out as Baker thought it ought. He suggests one hold the tip of one's tongue and try it. Maybe Robinson and we are guilty of what we accused Baker of--hearing what we want. It should have happened that way, even if it did not. Booth's trouble in making himself understood is directly related to his difficulty in breathing, which led eventually to his asphyxiation. No matter what his last words were, Dr. Blaine V. Houmes, “The Last Words of John Wilkes Booth . . . Or Were They?” Surratt Courier, 32 (June 2007), 3-7, believes that Booth could talk in some fashion after being shot as his vocal cords were undamaged.
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02-21-2013, 11:45 AM,
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RE: Useless, useless
(02-21-2013, 10:54 AM)william l. richter Wrote: The best one is from J Dennis Robinson, The 'New' Dying words of JWB," in As I Please, 2 (No. 5, April 20, 1998) at seacoastnh.com, believes that Booth was looking at the ring Lucy Hale supposedly had given him, when Lt. Baker raised his hands. He uttered "Lucy, Lucy," but his tongue was nearly paralyzed so the words came out as Baker thought it ought. He suggests one hold the tip of one's tongue and try it. Maybe Robinson and we are guilty of what we accused Baker of--hearing what we want. It should have happened that way, even if it did not. Booth's trouble in making himself understood is directly related to his difficulty in breathing, which led eventually to his asphyxiation. No matter what his last words were, Dr. Blaine V. Houmes, “The Last Words of John Wilkes Booth . . . Or Were They?” Surratt Courier, 32 (June 2007), 3-7, believes that Booth could talk in some fashion after being shot as his vocal cords were undamaged. I don't believe his tongue was paralyzed to any extent. The tongue is innervated by the hypoglossal nerve which is a cranial nerve that orginates in the brain stem. Cranial nerves also innervate the "voice-box". Any difficulty Booth had talking was due to his difficulty breathing. Cervical levels 3-5 innervate the diaphragm. His injury was just low enough to allow some diaphragmatic breathing few a few hours until the swelling and inflammation slowly obliterated these levels and stopped his breathing at the end.
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02-21-2013, 12:26 PM,
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RE: Useless, useless
(02-21-2013, 10:48 AM)BettyO Wrote: I believe that what JWB was saying was perhaps twofold -
He asked to view his hands. Therefore he was bemoaning the fact that his hands themselves were useless AND I also believe that he, at the end, was uttering the finality that his act of "saving the South" itself was useless. He had read the papers - he knew that as he stated in his diary, that "every man's hand was against him." Forced to be on the run, treated like a criminal - not the welcomed hero he believed. He, at the end, knew that his life was wasted and damned by perpetuating this useless crime. He destroyed Lincoln's life, Seward and Seward's family, Davey's life, the lives of the other conspirators as well his own. It was all "Useless"......
This is pretty much exactly what I think.
"The interment of John Booth was without trickery or stealth, but no barriers of evidence, no limits of reason ever halted the Great American Myth." - George S. Bryan, The Great American Myth
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02-21-2013, 02:15 PM,
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RE: Useless, useless
Somehow, I just don't see Booth thinking about Lucy, much less calling her name, as he neared death. Of course, he may have; who knows? I think Booth had many lovers, but no one he was "in love with." Even if he was "engaged" to Lucy, I don't think he loved her.
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02-21-2013, 03:10 PM,
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BettyO
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RE: Useless, useless
(02-21-2013, 02:15 PM)LincolnMan Wrote: Somehow, I just don't see Booth thinking about Lucy, much less calling her name, as he neared death. Of course, he may have; who knows? I think Booth had many lovers, but no one he was "in love with." Even if he was "engaged" to Lucy, I don't think he loved her.
I agree, Bill. There is no evidence that he LOVED Lucy --
To me, she just wasn't his type, if you know what I mean. He had far more attractive girl friends -
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02-21-2013, 04:10 PM,
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Linda Anderson
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RE: Useless, useless
(02-21-2013, 03:37 PM)Laurie Verge Wrote: Lucy Hale was supposedly a belle of Washington society, but like Betty and Bill, I just don't see her as the only thing Booth could think of in his last moments of life. I think Lucy was a means to an end. If she was that dear to him, why would he put her in such danger by doing what he did? I know, he loved his country better than Lucy...
I don't imagine that Booth was thinking of Lucy either but don't the standards of beauty change thoughout the years? Perhaps we should look at Lucy Hale through 19th century eyes. For example, I went to a lecture on Varina Davis last year and the audience was amazed to hear that Varina was not considered particularly attractive. We all thought that she was quite lovely but she was considered too "exotic" for the times. Of course, if Booth had a "type," that is another thing entirely.
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