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L Verge · 12-19-2017, 01:06 PM

(12-19-2017 12:50 PM)RJNorton Wrote: Offhand, I can think of one: John Hinckley.

Yep, Hinckley is one - two more to go. Hint: Covering two centuries...

Gene C · (This post was last modified: 12-19-2017 01:39 PM by Gene C.)

Charles Guiteau, Garfield's assassin

James Forrestal ?

Susan Higginbotham · 12-19-2017, 01:34 PM

Ezra Pound.

L Verge · (This post was last modified: 12-19-2017 02:08 PM by L Verge.)

(12-19-2017 01:28 PM)Gene C Wrote: Charles Guiteau, Garfield's assassin

James Forrestal ?

Guiteau was examined by the first superintendent of the hospital, Nichols, and an associate and declared insane. They recommended that he not be executed, but the courts disagreed. However, the assassin was never incarcerated at St. E's (don't know where he was held except maybe in the city jail?).

I did not see Forrestal's name on anything, but I'll double-check.

(12-19-2017 01:34 PM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote: Ezra Pound.

Good going, Susan, correct answer #2. One more to go, and this one is in the "wannabe" category of assassins.

AussieMick · (This post was last modified: 12-19-2017 04:13 PM by AussieMick.)

The question related to famous inmates. So I think Augustus Owsley Stanley III meets that bill. He invented (?) the drug LSD and , I guess, may have caused the deaths of quite a few people. He died in Australia.

But as for a wannabe , I'd say Mussolini is the guy. Some of his brain tissues were sent to the hospital for research and later returned to Italy. Dunno if that counts as being an inmate.

How is the first USA saint connected, in an Anthroponomastics sort of way (yeah, I had to look the word up), to the assassination of Lincoln?

The connection is indirect but you'll know it when you see it.

Gene C · (This post was last modified: 12-20-2017 07:25 AM by Gene C.)

Throughout the trial and up until his execution, Guiteau was housed at St. Elizabeths Hospital in the southeastern quadrant of Washington, D.C. (Wikipedia)

However, the next sentence in the article seems to contradict that.
" While in prison and awaiting execution, Guiteau wrote a defense of the assassination he had committed and an account of his own trial, which was published as The Truth and the Removal." (Wikipedia)

An article in Mental Floss indicates Guiteua didn't (did not) spend any time there at St. Elizabeth's. (outpatient only ?)

Forrestal was just a guess. Interesting case though.

L Verge · 12-19-2017, 06:10 PM

AussieMick - I debated including Stanley, but went for the more recognizable three names (obviously one of which is stumping folks). Even though Stanley supplied LSD and other drugs to many of the celebrities of my generation - even The Beatles, I've been told - I wasn't sure that many folks would know that.

I didn't count Mussolini because only a section of his brain came to America -- and an even smaller portion was returned to his widow, which upset the family.

Gene - I found most sources saying that Guiteau was never a patient at St. E's. I'll look up the case of Forrestal shortly.

Hint #3: The last famous patient that I am referring to attempted to assassinate a President, failed, and spent years in other asylums before the opening of St. Elizabeths (Government Hospital for the Insane) in 1855.

RJNorton · 12-19-2017, 06:18 PM

(12-19-2017 06:10 PM)L Verge Wrote: Hint #3: The last famous patient that I am referring to attempted to assassinate a President, failed, and spent years in other asylums before the opening of St. Elizabeths (Government Hospital for the Insane) in 1855.

Richard Lawrence?

AussieMick · 12-19-2017, 06:23 PM

(12-19-2017 06:10 PM)L Verge Wrote: AussieMick - I debated including Stanley, but went for the more recognizable three names (obviously one of which is stumping folks). Even though Stanley supplied LSD and other drugs to many of the celebrities of my generation - even The Beatles, I've been told - I wasn't sure that many folks would know that.

I didn't count Mussolini because only a section of his brain came to America -- and an even smaller portion was returned to his widow, which upset the family.

Gene - I found most sources saying that Guiteau was never a patient at St. E's. I'll look up the case of Forrestal shortly.

Hint #3: The last famous patient that I am referring to attempted to assassinate a President, failed, and spent years in other asylums before the opening of St. Elizabeths (Government Hospital for the Insane) in 1855.

Must be Richard Lawrence then?

L Verge · (This post was last modified: 12-19-2017 06:59 PM by L Verge.)

Congratulations to both Roger and our Australian compatriot. Richard Lawrence is correct - the gentleman who attempted to kill Andrew Jackson.

(12-19-2017 05:33 PM)Gene C Wrote: [size=small]"Throughout the trial and up until his execution, Guiteau was housed at St. Elizabeths Hospital in the southeastern quadrant of Washington, D.C. (Wikipedia)

However, the next sentence in the article seems to contradict that.
" While in prison and awaiting execution, Guiteau wrote a defense of the assassination he had committed and an account of his own trial, which was published as The Truth and the Removal." (Wikipedia)

An article in Mental Floss indicates Guiteua didn't (did not) spend any time there at St. Elizabeth's. (outpatient only ?)

Forrestal was just a guess. Interesting case though.

Just skimmed the case of James Forrestal. Very interesting, but it appears that Truman drove him to madness by downsizing our military and refusing to consider the Soviet threat. Shades of a recent President I could mention...

(12-19-2017 03:54 PM)AussieMick Wrote: The question related to famous inmates. So I think Augustus Owsley Stanley III meets that bill. He invented (?) the drug LSD and , I guess, may have caused the deaths of quite a few people. He died in Australia.

But as for a wannabe , I'd say Mussolini is the guy. Some of his brain tissues were sent to the hospital for research and later returned to Italy. Dunno if that counts as being an inmate.

How is the first USA saint connected, in an Anthroponomastics sort of way (yeah, I had to look the word up), to the assassination of Lincoln?

The connection is indirect but you'll know it when you see it.

I'm not sure how she is connected to Lincoln's assassination, but Elizabeth Ann Seton founded the Sisters of Charity (who educated Mary Surratt) and who served nobly as nurses during the Civil War. Could there be a connection with Booth in that he was a Know Nothing, who supposedly disliked the Catholic movement (and yet had Catholic friends and conspirators)?

AussieMick · 12-19-2017, 09:30 PM

Yes you got the saint of course.
You are almost there. ( I think I'm being a little cruel.) The Know Nothing is not the connection. Nor is Surratt the connection I'm thinking of.
What if I mention exploration of the South Pole?

RJNorton · 12-20-2017, 05:19 AM

Michael, I get up early, and the ol' brain does not always work too well at this time of day, but I have no idea what you are talking about...

Is it possible to give us another clue?

AussieMick · (This post was last modified: 12-20-2017 06:49 AM by AussieMick.)

Morning, Roger. I shall be going to bed soonish.
Another clue? How about the name of a cricket ground in Nottingham?

Oh and the man whose *name* I am wanting was not in fact involved in the assassination even if another was.

RJNorton · 12-20-2017, 07:03 AM

Charles Wilkes?

Susan Higginbotham · 12-20-2017, 09:48 AM

There actually is a tie between John Surratt and Elizabeth Ann Seton--he taught in the town of Emmitsburg, Maryland, for a while after the judicial proceedings against him ended, and she lived in that town (long before his time, of course) and has a shrine there.