Booth's Horse Fell....
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12-23-2016, 06:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-23-2016 06:01 PM by Rick Smith.)
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RE: Booth's Horse Fell....
Very good post, Bill.
I believe that Booth broke his leg on the road. The mare's injuries surely testify to a serious accident, and she obviously came down hard on her left side. Booth's behavior at Mudd's (not saying much of anything and sleeping for many hours) speak to his exhaustion as a consequence of riding while injured. The injuries to his back and leg would have felt so much worse and may have even been exacerbated by having to be in the saddle for so long a time. He would have been completely exhausted. |
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12-23-2016, 06:57 PM
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RE: Booth's Horse Fell....
While we'll never figure out definitively where Booth broke his leg, I think Rick brings up an interesting point - what an exhaustive night Booth had since leaving 10th. St.
Up late the night before, writing his mother a letter in the early morning hours, then up early the next morning and having an extremely busy day with little, if any, rest. Drinking throughout the day (more than he should have, with what he had in mind) and a long jump that surely injured his back. Landing awkwardly and leaving "a rent in the Baize green carpet" (See photo, with it visible between the lower boxes, possibly enhanced by souvenir hunters) on the stage and a semi-circular indentation in the stage (his boot heel), he then mounted his horse and began the 14 mile ride to the Surratt Tavern. While today we think of a 14 mile ride as nothing, this ride took him almost 2 hours, part of it (or maybe all of it) with his leg broken. Riding a skittish horse, trying to control it with half his riding faculties useless and painful, using every muscle in his body to keep him in the saddle and to keep the horse moving him south on a cold and wet night, he had to be completely exhausted by the time he got to Mudd's, almost 30 miles south of Washington. "There are few subjects that ignite more casual, uninformed bigotry and condescension from elites in this nation more than Dixie - Jonah Goldberg" |
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12-23-2016, 08:31 PM
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RE: Booth's Horse Fell....
BINZEL:
PLEASE SEE MY COMMENTS IN CAPITAL LETTERS: (12-23-2016 12:20 PM)wpbinzel Wrote: As usual, this has been a very good discussion. The consensus appears to in favor of Booth’s account that he broke his left fibula at Ford’s Theater. Because of a lack of certainty and my firm belief that your guess is as good as mine, I have not weighed into the debate. However, for the sake of the discussion, I offer the following observations in support of the competing notion, that Booth’s horse fell, trapping his foot in the stirrup: JOHN |
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12-23-2016, 11:57 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-23-2016 11:58 PM by wpbinzel.)
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(12-23-2016 08:31 PM)John Fazio Wrote: I DISAGREE. THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE FAVORS THE CONCLUSION THAT THE FRACTURE OCCURRED WHEN HE FELL TO THE STAGE. Thanks, John, for adding your perspective. I have the utmost respect and appreciation for your research and contributions in this field. I also recognize that reasonable people may draw different conclusions from a set of information. That is probably the thing I enjoy most about the study of history. The purpose of my post was simply to compile a series of observations that, hopefully, provided an interesting perspective of the "falling horse" theory. If I have learned anything in the course of my research -- and based on your writings, I am virtually certain that you would agree -- is that just because something has become "accepted history," it doesn't mean it actually happened that way (e.g., see Lincoln in the Telegraph Office). While I question some of your comments, I am firmly in the camp of "Nobody Alive Today Knows for Sure," so readers should draw their own conclusions. To me, the central point is either you accept the veracity of the claims in Booth's "diary" or you don't. Those claims are the origin and source of the "broke on stage" theory. Given the context in which they were written, I do not find Booth to be credible. However, for most (myself included), if the standard of proof for either theory is "beyond a reasonable doubt," then neither could prevail. If, however, as you suggest, a more practical standard is that of a preponderance of the evidence, then it will leave people with different conclusions. So be it. |
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12-24-2016, 05:21 AM
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RE: Booth's Horse Fell....
My personal opinion is the same as John's, but my question relates to three telegrams Dave Taylor wrote about on this forum. I will quote from a post Dave made on February 4, 2013. Dave is discussing three telegrams written only nine days (April 23, 1865) after Booth shot Lincoln:
Dave wrote: Two of the telegrams are from Col. William Wood, who would later be in charge of Mary Surratt, Dr. Mudd and many witnesses and suspects in the Old Capital Prison. He writes in the morning of April 23rd, the following: "There is no doubt but that Booth broke one of the bones in his leg in the jump on the stage of the theatre immediately after the murder." Later the same day he sends the following: "The assassins changed horses. Herold was riding the bay mare obtained from Pumphrey's Stable, and it may be possible that she fell or threw off Booth and broke his leg. However, I believe as I have written this morning." The 3rd telegram, sent at 8 pm on April 23rd is from Major John Waite, who, like William Wood, is forwarding information gleaned from Brytantown. It says, in part: "Booth fractured a bone of his leg in jumping upon the stage, not by falling near Bryantown." John mentions at least one of these telegrams in Decapitating the Union. I find it amazing that already, 9 days after the assassination, both theories we discuss here were already being mentioned in telegrams. My own take is that the telegrams are supportive of the break happening in the jump at Ford's (although the horse fall theory is also mentioned). Can anyone explain how both Wood and Waite knew of the possible break at Ford's? Is it possible there were eyewitnesses at Ford's who are not in Good's book but who talked to authorities and said they saw Booth limp off the stage? And Wood and Waite had talked to these people? Or does all this come from conversations in Bryantown? From what source(s) did Wood and Waite get the idea the break happened at Ford's? |
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12-24-2016, 09:15 AM
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(12-24-2016 05:21 AM)RJNorton Wrote: My personal opinion is the same as John's, but my question relates to three telegrams Dave Taylor wrote about on this forum. I will quote from a post Dave made on February 4, 2013. Dave is discussing three telegrams written only nine days (April 23, 1865) after Booth shot Lincoln: I agree with John's contention. I also point out that, as stated, Col. Wood's information was 9 days old when he wrote the telegrams. He likely heard several stories during that time and based his broken leg comment on the majority of evidence he heard during that time period. Wood was very emphatic about his theory and said so in the telegrams. What I find even more interesting in the telegrams is the information he relates about the riders changing horses! The knowledge of this fact could only have resided with a few people. I wonder if he ever stated his source for this piece of information. That source may also have been his primary source for the broken leg theory. |
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12-24-2016, 09:40 AM
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RE: Booth's Horse Fell....
BINZEL:
PLEASE SEE MY COMMENTS BELOW IN CAPITAL LETTERS. I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND THIS METHOD OF COMMUNICATION; IT SAVES ME TIME. (12-23-2016 11:57 PM)wpbinzel Wrote:(12-23-2016 08:31 PM)John Fazio Wrote: I DISAGREE. THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE FAVORS THE CONCLUSION THAT THE FRACTURE OCCURRED WHEN HE FELL TO THE STAGE. JOHN |
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12-24-2016, 10:01 AM
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RE: Booth's Horse Fell....
Thank you, John, for quoting complete statements made by Davis and Washington at the Mudd farm. It is human nature to only quote what one needs to prove a point, and many historians use that ability frequently and obscure some of the facts.
For fear of upsetting some people, I would like to clarify that Tim Good worked extensively with Michael Kauffman on his original Eyewitness thesis - for that is what his project started out as, a Master's thesis. Tim had heard Mike give a talk on the reliability of witnesses, and it meshed perfectly with Tim's work as an NPS ranger at Ford's. He approached Mike for guidance, and Mike was happy to help. The thesis proved so successful that it led to a final book publication. Behind the scenes, however, there arose some dissension over whose research went into that publication. In the end, to me, the book has been a vital part of understanding the events at Ford's since it brought together, under one cover, statements that were otherwise floating around in sundry files. DIFFERENT QUESTION: Shortly after "recovering" from a possible fall around Soper's Hill, the fugitives encountered Polk Gardiner and companion repairing a wagon near Jenkins Corner. I do not remember what the brief conversation was (other than asking directions?), but if anyone is privy to Gardiner's statement, does it mention injuries? Seems to me that they were the first to encounter Booth and Herold after the supposed fall. |
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12-24-2016, 11:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-24-2016 11:11 AM by BettyO.)
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Not to be facetious, but what was with the clumsy horses JWB and Powell were riding?
Supposedly Powell's one-eyed pacer also fell while attempting to jump a ditch (see Steer's The Evidence; as well as Cleveland Leader 05/05/1865). Powell's horse also had a bruised/cut shoulder as well as being lame when found by John Toffey....Powell himself had a blackened eye and a bruised lip as well as being knocked out (according to what Powell told Gillette). "The Past is a foreign country...they do things differently there" - L. P. Hartley |
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12-24-2016, 11:20 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-24-2016 12:03 PM by wpbinzel.)
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(12-24-2016 05:21 AM)RJNorton Wrote: From what source(s) did Wood and Waite get the idea the break happened at Ford's? Roger - I agree, and in my view, the answer to that very question may be a key factor in the debate. I have not seen or read anything that would make the how Booth broke his leg anything more than conjecture or supposition on their part. In their messages, I don't think it was the "how" that they thought was relevant; their main point it was that Booth had a broken leg. Without knowing the source of their information, I am not convinced that it was anything more than speculation. That it matched Booth's version, certainly does give it credence, but the telegrams were sent after Booth concocted (forgive me) his version of the story, and which may have been passed along by his surrogates. Mere speculation on my part. (12-24-2016 10:01 AM)L Verge Wrote: Thank you, John, for quoting complete statements made by Davis and Washington at the Mudd farm. It is human nature to only quote what one needs to prove a point, and many historians use that ability frequently and obscure some of the facts. Laurie - I know that you meant your comment to be in general, and I certainly take it as such. But, truth be told, when I was composing the post, I included the complete statements by Davis and Washington. But for the sake of brevity (of which few people would accuse me), I edited them out as not being relevant or being redundant to the point. John correctly quotes Washington as saying, "Neither of the horses appeared to me to be spattered with mud by a fall." Why is that not relevant? Because, if Booth's horse fell, it fell sometime before Booth and Herold got to Surrattsville, and that would likely have been sometime before midnight. They did not arrive at the Mudd's until 4 a.m. Remember, it was raining that night, so the horses had a four hour shower. It would seem probable that in that time the rain would have washed away any mud spatters. That the horses did not kick up any mud on themselves or each other would indicate that Booth and Herald traveled at a slow pace. Consequently, the absence of spattered mud under these circumstances does not advance either theory. And if we are going to quote complete statements, let's do exactly that. Davis' statement was: "One of the horses was a small bay mare in excellent trim, with a piece of skin off on the inside of the left foreleg about as big as a silver dollar." [emphasis added] I view this to be entirely consistent with, and reinforce, his testimony that the mare was "very lame." |
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12-24-2016, 12:13 PM
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RE: Booth's Horse Fell....
(12-24-2016 10:01 AM)L Verge Wrote: Thank you, John, for quoting complete statements made by Davis and Washington at the Mudd farm. It is human nature to only quote what one needs to prove a point, and many historians use that ability frequently and obscure some of the facts. Laurie: As nearly as I can tell, Polk said nothing about an injury. In his trial testimony (Pitman, p. 85; Poore, Vol. I, p. 255) he said nothing about the riders' appearance either, though he did describe the horses and he did mention that both riders were riding "very fast". (In his statement, he quotes his companion as saying that both men were "riding their horses to death to overtake each other".) In his statement, however (LA, pp. 584-586), he describes Booth's and Herold's dress, including Booth's slouch hat, and then says something that may be significant to this discussion, namely that Booth "did not seem to have a strong voice; it appeared to be a high-keyed weak voice". I do not recall that Booth's voice was ever described as high-keyed and weak. That it was so described on this occasion would suggest that Booth was in pain. If so, it had to be from his fractured fibula and also, probably, his painful back. Inasmuch as Gardiner encountered Booth approximately three miles out of Washington, that would mean that the injury occurred when he fell to the stage or within approximately three miles of the city, still about 11 miles from the tavern. If the latter, that would mean that the fractured fibula, despite being described by Dr. Mudd as a slight injury, was already causing him so much pain that it affected his voice. That seems unlikely. It seems more likely, therefore, that the injury occurred in the theater and that he aggravated it by crossing the stage, making his way to the back door, "hopping out the back door", mounting his horse "with difficulty" and then bounding through the streets of the city to the bridge, after the crossing of which he then rode his horse "to death" to get away from the roiling city. That scenario seems more consistent with a level of pain that would affect his voice at the three-mile mark than an injury that occurred within that three-mile distance and that was described by Dr. Mudd as not being a serious injury. John |
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