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Gene C · 02-06-2015, 01:08 PM

Welcome Pamela!
Weichmann seems to be an interesting character, don't know that much about him. He sure seems to have been in a difficult situation.
Look forword to reading what you have found out about him.

Eva Elisabeth · (This post was last modified: 02-06-2015 08:48 PM by Eva Elisabeth.)

Welcome Pamela - I totally second the others', especially Toia's (LincolnToddFan) and Betty's words!

Susan Higginbotham · 02-06-2015, 03:25 PM

I was looking around for more information about Annie Weichmann on Ancestry after Pamela's post--poor lady! She had the misfortune to be buried in 1920 in Philadelphia's Monument Cemetery, which was destroyed in the 1950's in the name of progress. The remains of those buried there were moved to a mass grave and their tombstones dumped into a river. Disgraceful.

http://thecemeterytraveler.blogspot.com/...etery.html

BettyO · 02-06-2015, 03:37 PM

Quote:She had the misfortune to be buried in 1920 in Philadelphia's Monument Cemetery, which was destroyed in the 1950's in the name of progress. The remains of those buried there were moved to a mass grave and their tombstones dumped into a river. Disgraceful.

How utterly tragic and stupid! Too bad that a city (as well as council and the "powers that be") would have allowed such as this to happen....

RIP Annie Weichmann!

RJNorton · 02-06-2015, 04:39 PM

(02-06-2015 03:37 PM)BettyO Wrote: RIP Annie Weichmann!

I second you, Betty! Weichmann talks a lot about his own life in his book, but I do not recall Annie being mentioned. Did I miss it? Does Weichmann ever mention Annie in his book? Anyone recall?

SSlater · 02-06-2015, 06:11 PM

I have made some minor efforts to research Weichmann, but had trouble with different spellings of his name, so I quit. Once you have finished with One spelling, you must redo the effort with the other spelling. I'll get busy again ( -with both) and see what happens. You can't ignore the spellings, because not everyone knows there are several spellings.

Susan Higginbotham · (This post was last modified: 02-06-2015 06:39 PM by Susan Higginbotham.)

(02-06-2015 04:39 PM)RJNorton Wrote:
(02-06-2015 03:37 PM)BettyO Wrote: RIP Annie Weichmann!

I second you, Betty! Weichmann talks a lot about his own life in his book, but I do not recall Annie being mentioned. Did I miss it? Does Weichmann ever mention Annie in his book? Anyone recall?

No, but then he doesn't really go into his personal life after 1865 in his book except as it relates directly to the assassination/conspiracy trial.

According to Erich Ewald's September 1993 Surrratt Courier article, it was the June 6, 1902 Muncie (Indiana) Morning Star that first mentioned Weichmann's unsuccessful marriage, but not the identity of his bride. They're noted as living together in the 1870 Philadelphia census.

Gene C · 02-06-2015, 06:47 PM

Not sure if it's temporary or not, but my link in post #1 doesn't seem to be working. If you know of a different link for that information, please post it.

RJNorton · 02-06-2015, 06:58 PM

Gene, it's working OK from my end.

https://archive.org/details/assassinatioxx00linc

Pamela · (This post was last modified: 02-16-2015 12:46 PM by Pamela.)

(02-06-2015 01:07 PM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote: That's fascinating about Annie Weichmann. Did they simply go their separate ways without divorcing?

Hi Susan and Betty, in the 1900 census Weichmann said his marital status was "D" for divorced and I believe he died two years later. The D is kind of scrambled and hard to make out. I don't know who wrote it--maybe the census taker. I haven't found divorce documents but that doesn't mean they don't exist. In the 1920 census Anna listed herself as widowed. Are you a widow if your x dies? Or am I misreading Louis's census? She was significantly older than Louis and came from a prosperous family, relatively speaking.

I'm frustrated right now because I can't find (and apparently didn't save) the 1870 census report for Annie Weichmann. I did take notes and she lived at 1610 (or 1620) Cherry St with her father Samuel who was an ice dealer, sister Maria, two or three years younger, single and a teacher. There were two much younger girls in the house, Carrie and Lillian. The real estate value was $25,000 and personal money was $3000. That was the year she married Louis.

In a city 1879 directory, Louis and Annie J Weichmann are listed at the address 1620 Cherry St. In the 1880 census Louis was a boarder on North 43r St Philadelphia and Annie J Weichmann was living at 1620 Cherry St with her father (no occupation so I presume retired) and sister Maria (unmarried) and she is listed as head of the house. Louis's parents had already moved to Indiana. In 1883 Louis was still in Philadelphia, in another boarding house on 4007 Powelton Ave and still a customs clerk.

Maria never married and had no children and Annie had no children. She was married at age 35 so that could have been a factor. In a 1892 city directory she lived at 1610 Cherry St and her occupation was boarding. Also a 1901 city directory.

The 1920 census shows Annie renting a house with 2 boarders, Hispanic mother and daughter, I believe. She is listed as head of the house and a widow.

Annie was a Good Templar for 56 years, holding numerous officer positions such as Treasurer, Recording Secretary, Grand Secretary, International Vice Templar, etc. and travelled extensively. She was described as "zealous" by her fellow Templars. Good Templars were pallbearers at her funeral.

In 1873 she travelled to London. I assume he had to work and she was gone for at probably 2 months based on the date of a newspaper article.
In 1875 she went to Norristown for a convention; 1876, Pittsburgh.
In 1877 (while still living with Louis ,presumably) she went to Chicago for the World's Temperance Convention.
In 1878 (still with Louis) she went to Minnesota.
In 1891 she travelled to Sarasota Springs as a delegate.
In 1906 she attended the Grand Templar Lodge is Belfast, Ireland as the Treasurer from PA.
In 1911 she attended the National Grand Lodge Session in Brooklyn, NY.
Annie did a lot of Good Templar travelling while married to Louis and I can't find any evidence that he was a member or travelled with her.
I also can't find any evidence of membership in a temperance society prior to their marriage.
*I did find their marriage announcement which mentions her position in the Good Templars and put it on post #88, so she was actively involved with the group before their marriage.

I found all of the Good Templar info by googling.

(02-06-2015 03:37 PM)BettyO Wrote:
Quote:She had the misfortune to be buried in 1920 in Philadelphia's Monument Cemetery, which was destroyed in the 1950's in the name of progress. The remains of those buried there were moved to a mass grave and their tombstones dumped into a river. Disgraceful.

How utterly tragic and stupid! Too bad that a city (as well as council and the "powers that be") would have allowed such as this to happen....

RIP Annie Weichmann!

That's pretty awful.

(02-06-2015 04:39 PM)RJNorton Wrote:
(02-06-2015 03:37 PM)BettyO Wrote: RIP Annie Weichmann!

I second you, Betty! Weichmann talks a lot about his own life in his book, but I do not recall Annie being mentioned. Did I miss it? Does Weichmann ever mention Annie in his book? Anyone recall?

Not that I noticed and I've read it twice. He did stick to the assassination and trials, though. He mentioned his custom house work but only as it related to the aftermath of the trial.

L Verge · 02-06-2015, 08:37 PM

I suspect that Louis would not have written about (or seldom spoke of) his marriage once it ended in divorce. It was not proper to air one's dirty laundry in public, and divorce was certainly against his strong Catholic training.

LincolnToddFan · 02-06-2015, 10:46 PM

(02-06-2015 03:37 PM)BettyO Wrote:
Quote:She had the misfortune to be buried in 1920 in Philadelphia's Monument Cemetery, which was destroyed in the 1950's in the name of progress. The remains of those buried there were moved to a mass grave and their tombstones dumped into a river. Disgraceful.

How utterly tragic and stupid! Too bad that a city (as well as council and the "powers that be") would have allowed such as this to happen....

RIP Annie Weichmann!

I completely agree with you. And when I visit some of the lovely and well kept cemeteries where members of my family lie buried, I sometimes wonder if their remains and my own will meet the same fate 100-200 years from now... Huh

Susan Higginbotham · (This post was last modified: 02-06-2015 11:42 PM by Susan Higginbotham.)

(02-06-2015 07:26 PM)Pamela Wrote: Hi Susan and Betty, in the 1900 census Weichmann said his marital status was "D" for divorced and I believe he died two years later. The D is kind of scrambled and hard to make out. I don't know who wrote it--maybe the census taker. I haven't found divorce documents but that doesn't mean they don't exist. In the 1920 census Anna listed herself as widowed. Are you a widow if your x dies? Or am I misreading Louis's census? She was significantly older than Louis and came from a prosperous family, relatively speaking.

I'm frustrated right now because I can't find (and apparently didn't save) the 1870 census report for Annie Weichmann. I did take notes and she lived at 1610 (or 1620) Cherry St with her father Samuel who was an ice dealer, sister Maria, two or three years younger, single and a teacher. There were two much younger girls in the house, Carrie and Lillian. The real estate value was $25,000 and personal money was $3000. That was the year she married Louis.

In a city 1879 directory, Louis and Annie J Weichmann are listed at the address 1620 Cherry St. In the 1880 census Louis was a boarder on North 43r St Philadelphia and Annie J Weichmann was living at 1620 Cherry St with her father (no occupation so I presume retired) and sister Maria (unmarried) and she is listed as head of the house. Louis's parents had already moved to Indiana. In 1883 Louis was still in Philadelphia, in another boarding house on 4007 Powelton Ave and still a customs clerk.

The 1870 census I found has her living with Louis (along with her father and her sister):

Pamela · 02-07-2015, 12:20 AM

(02-06-2015 11:39 PM)Susan Higginbotham Wrote:
(02-06-2015 07:26 PM)Pamela Wrote: Hi Susan and Betty, in the 1900 census Weichmann said his marital status was "D" for divorced and I believe he died two years later. The D is kind of scrambled and hard to make out. I don't know who wrote it--maybe the census taker. I haven't found divorce documents but that doesn't mean they don't exist. In the 1920 census Anna listed herself as widowed. Are you a widow if your x dies? Or am I misreading Louis's census? She was significantly older than Louis and came from a prosperous family, relatively speaking.

I'm frustrated right now because I can't find (and apparently didn't save) the 1870 census report for Annie Weichmann. I did take notes and she lived at 1610 (or 1620) Cherry St with her father Samuel who was an ice dealer, sister Maria, two or three years younger, single and a teacher. There were two much younger girls in the house, Carrie and Lillian. The real estate value was $25,000 and personal money was $3000. That was the year she married Louis.

In a city 1879 directory, Louis and Annie J Weichmann are listed at the address 1620 Cherry St. In the 1880 census Louis was a boarder on North 43r St Philadelphia and Annie J Weichmann was living at 1620 Cherry St with her father (no occupation so I presume retired) and sister Maria (unmarried) and she is listed as head of the house. Louis's parents had already moved to Indiana. In 1883 Louis was still in Philadelphia, in another boarding house on 4007 Powelton Ave and still a customs clerk.

The 1870 census I found has her living with Louis (along with her father and her sister):

What a great find! It's not the federal census but what kind is it? I see the date was November 1870 which was right after their marriage of Oct 25. Maybe the post office had this done because of a change in address? Also Annie and Lou's ages are wrong and brings them closer to each other in age. I wonder who gave the wrong ages? Their address is Race St which I believe is near Cherry. Interesting! Another piece to the puzzle. How did you find it?

STS Lincolnite · (This post was last modified: 02-07-2015 12:32 AM by STS Lincolnite.)

In the next few weeks I will be putting the finishing touches on a brief article that I plan to submit to the Surratt Courier for publication. It tangentially addresses Louis Weichmann in the 1870 census.

Sorry Laurie! If you remember, I mentioned this article to you last year at the Surratt Conference but it got pushed to the back burner with a number of other projects/presentations taking precedence. I hope to have it to you for your consideration in the next few weeks. I am trying to find time to make a final trip to Anderson to check a couple of sources.