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Is this Abraham Lincoln?
06-25-2022, 02:22 PM
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RE: Is this Abraham Lincoln?
(06-25-2022 08:13 AM)Gene C Wrote:  In this second image of the photo's in question, and the close up images of his right hand, the subject is wearing a ring.

Any photographs of Lincoln wearing a ring, or record of Lincoln wearing a ring?
According to this in the Historical Marker Data Base https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=48874 Mary had an engraved wedding ring, but Lincoln did not.

Hi Gene,
This ring is on his right hand as this image is a copy of a daguerreotype that was redaguereeotyped. Thus, he appears correct to where his right is his right. I have not found any record of a wedding ring, nor him adorning himself with rings. But, if you look closely at the 1847 Shepherd Dag of Lincoln, you can observe the presence of an impression upon his right ring finger showing he must have worn a ring at times. If you look closely you can see this impression in the same exact position as his right ring finger within this new dag.
Even though Mary had a wedding ring, I believe the cultural tradition of wearing wedding rings came decades after the Lincoln’s wedding. As most historic record of Lincoln is from the era in and around his presidency, it could be surmised that a candidate or elected president may choose not to wear gold for obvious tactical reasons within those tumultuous times.
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Chris
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06-25-2022, 03:09 PM (This post was last modified: 06-25-2022 03:17 PM by Steve.)
Post: #17
RE: Is this Abraham Lincoln?
The tie pin of the man in the photo identifies him as a member of the Odd Fellows, a fraternal order. I do not believe Lincoln was a member of the Odd Fellows. Other 19th-century Presidents - Grant, Hayes, and McKinley were members.

Odd Fellows Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd_Fellows
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06-25-2022, 05:42 PM
Post: #18
RE: Is this Abraham Lincoln?
(06-25-2022 03:09 PM)Steve Wrote:  The tie pin of the man in the photo identifies him as a member of the Odd Fellows, a fraternal order. I do not believe Lincoln was a member of the Odd Fellows. Other 19th-century Presidents - Grant, Hayes, and McKinley were members.

Odd Fellows Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd_Fellows

Hi Grant,
It seems there is some oral history of Lincoln being a member of the Odd Fellow’s. The order came to the Springfield area just after 1840 and most of the men on aristocrat row became members.
Chris
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06-26-2022, 05:02 AM
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RE: Is this Abraham Lincoln?
I checked several sources that I thought might have information on this: The Abraham Lincoln Encyclopedia, The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Herndon's Informants: Letters, Interviews, and Statements about Abraham Lincoln, and Herndon's Life of Lincoln. I could not find any mention of Abraham Lincoln ever joining the Odd Fellows. I realize oral history can often be a valuable tool, but I really thought one of these sources would have mentioned it if it were true.
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06-27-2022, 04:39 PM
Post: #20
RE: Is this Abraham Lincoln?
I checked The Lincoln Log to see if the Odd Fellows were mentioned, and I found the following:

Friday, August 29, 1862: Mrs. Lincoln visits soldiers in Odd Fellows' Hall Hospital. Evening Star (Washington, DC), 29 August 1862, 2d ed., 3:1.

Friday, October 9, 1863: At 1:30 P.M. President receives invitation to attend celebration of Grand United Order of Odd Fellows in America at Israel Church on Capitol Hill. Committee to Lincoln, 8 October 1863, Abraham Lincoln Papers, Library of Congress, Washington, DC.

Friday, February 19, 1864: In the afternoon, President Lincoln and his family host a "private reception" in the White House for some "celebrated little people." Lincoln's guests include Charles Nestel and his sister Eliza Nestel, of Ft. Wayne, Indiana. The siblings are members of an entertainment troupe that is performing at Washington, D. C.'s Odd Fellows' Hall. The Nestels are better known, respectively, by the stage names Commodore Foote and the Fairy Queen. A newspaper reports that a large number of the "elite...of the city" have been attending the "wonderful performances." Evening Star (Washington, D.C.), 20 February 1864, 2:5, 3:1; Daily National Republican (Washington, DC), 20 February 1864, 2d ed., 2:6.

I did not see any references to Lincoln's Illinois' years.
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RE: Is this Abraham Lincoln?
(06-25-2022 03:09 PM)Steve Wrote:  The tie pin of the man in the photo identifies him as a member of the Odd Fellows, a fraternal order. I do not believe Lincoln was a member of the Odd Fellows. Other 19th-century Presidents - Grant, Hayes, and McKinley were members.

Odd Fellows Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd_Fellows
Great input, Steve!
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