Lincoln's loss in 1864

[L Verge]

(06-18-2019 06:57 PM)David Lockmiller Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 03:55 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Speaking of free blacks - in the process of looking up something at work, I ran across these statistics that break down the number of free blacks in various sections of the country, according to the 1860 Federal Census. Please note how far behind the abolitionist stronghold of New England lagged:

New England 24,711
Mid-Atlantic 131,272
Mid-West 65,719
Upper South 183,369
Lower South 67,418
Far West 4,259

TOTAL FREE 476,748

Mention was also made in another section of this article about the poor reception that free blacks received in the North -- discrimination, job refusals, living conditions, both before, during, and after the CW. Out of the frying pan and into the fire??

Still better than having your family broken up and sold off to new owners. This is among the many disadvantages of being a slave.

Instead of referring to freed slaves by saying that they were "out of the frying pan and into the fire," I would say that free blacks were "out of the frying pan and into the world of hard knocks" with the choices of where to go and how to live limited by lesser injustices.

Instead of referring to freed slaves by saying that they were "out of the frying pan and into the fire," I would say that free blacks were "out of the frying pan and into the world of hard knocks" with the choices of where to go and how to live limited by lesser injustices.
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Much like the Irish, Chinese, Italian, etc. immigrants who were coming to America during the last half of the 19th century and beyond? And, their families may not have been sold down river, but many of the family members had to remain behind in their native countries until the adventurous soul could find work and shelter here and then save enough to pay for passage for them.

David, I work with this subject each and every day, and well over 50% of our visitation is from diverse populations who appreciate that their story is being told and are working through the sad chapters of history. Every ethnic group in world history up to current times has dealt with sad chapters and have moved on - some via political activism and some by war and some by sheer determination to prove their worth.

BTW: In our region, a new initiative to study the history of lynchings has begun.

[David Lockmiller]

(06-19-2019 09:21 AM)L Verge Wrote:  Much like the Irish, Chinese, Italian, etc. immigrants who were coming to America during the last half of the 19th century and beyond? And, their families may not have been sold down river, but many of the family members had to remain behind in their native countries until the adventurous soul could find work and shelter here and then save enough to pay for passage for them.

David, I work with this subject each and every day, and well over 50% of our visitation is from diverse populations who appreciate that their story is being told and are working through the sad chapters of history. Every ethnic group in world history up to current times has dealt with sad chapters and have moved on - some via political activism and some by war and some by sheer determination to prove their worth.

BTW: In our region, a new initiative to study the history of lynchings has begun.

I see now that the Chinese in Hong Kong are protesting in numbers reported to be a million or more citizens against a takeover by Xi and his goons.

Repression by violence is a common theme throughout history, whether it be lynchings in the South, mass execution in Tiananmen Square, or in 1851 the proposed extinction of the Indian race by California’s first governor, Peter Burnett.

And, there always seem to be plenty of willing participants in such cruel injustices:

California Governor Newsom, in an emotional presentation, recited a published chronicle from the 19th century that listed a tally of Indian deaths, including an account of a white settler who chose to kill children with a revolver instead of a high-caliber shotgun because “it tore them up so bad.”