https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/ Wed, 22 Apr 2026 16:29:56 +0000 MyBB https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5140.html Sat, 07 Feb 2026 18:49:44 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5140.html
"A 217-year-old man has lived through centuries of change, so the most appropriate gifts would honor his history, offer unmatched comfort, or provide deep personal connection, rather than just more "stuff."


Here are the best gift ideas, based on, in some cases, extrapolations from advice for centenarians and history enthusiasts:



1. Personalized & Historical Gifts (Honoring His Time)

Customized Time Capsule/Memory Book: A "My Life Story" journal, or a book documenting major world events that happened during his lifetime.
Historical Letter Subscription: Services like Letterjoy send rare, authentic letters from historical figures (e.g., from the early 1800s).
Framed Historical Map: A map of his birthplace from the year he was born or an early map of a place he loves.
Digitized Family Memories: A digital photo frame, preloaded with thousands of family photos, to act as a window to his past.




2. Comfort & Luxury (Enhancing Daily Life)

Premium Sleep Tech: A smart mattress cover (like Eight Sleep) to regulate temperature, which is often crucial for long-term health and comfort.
Heated Massage Chair or Blanket: To help with joint pain and keep him warm.
High-Quality Sheepskin Slippers: Offering comfort, warmth, and easy access.
Comfortable Reading Gear: A high-quality magnifier or a neck-caddy for books/tablet, and a book light.




3. Experiences (Time > Items)

A "Memory Trip": A trip to a place that held significance in his younger years, arranged with comfortable, accessible transportation.
Intimate Family Concert: A live performance featuring music from his youth (e.g., early 20th-century classical or folk).
Quality Time: A scheduled, quiet, and meaningful afternoon with family, perhaps recording stories to pass down.




4. Health & Wellness (Longevity Focus)

Advanced Diagnostic Membership: A membership to a longevity clinic (like Fountain Life) for proactive health management.
High-End Air Purifier: A HEPA air filter to ensure the cleanest possible air quality.
Nutrient-Dense Food Delivery: A subscription for healthy, easy-to-digest, or gourmet meals.


Summary Recommendation: The best gift is one that shows appreciation for his unique perspective, such as a personalized, handwritten letter book from every descendant or a high-end, customized piece of art reflecting his long life."

Best
Rob]]>
"A 217-year-old man has lived through centuries of change, so the most appropriate gifts would honor his history, offer unmatched comfort, or provide deep personal connection, rather than just more "stuff."


Here are the best gift ideas, based on, in some cases, extrapolations from advice for centenarians and history enthusiasts:



1. Personalized & Historical Gifts (Honoring His Time)

Customized Time Capsule/Memory Book: A "My Life Story" journal, or a book documenting major world events that happened during his lifetime.
Historical Letter Subscription: Services like Letterjoy send rare, authentic letters from historical figures (e.g., from the early 1800s).
Framed Historical Map: A map of his birthplace from the year he was born or an early map of a place he loves.
Digitized Family Memories: A digital photo frame, preloaded with thousands of family photos, to act as a window to his past.




2. Comfort & Luxury (Enhancing Daily Life)

Premium Sleep Tech: A smart mattress cover (like Eight Sleep) to regulate temperature, which is often crucial for long-term health and comfort.
Heated Massage Chair or Blanket: To help with joint pain and keep him warm.
High-Quality Sheepskin Slippers: Offering comfort, warmth, and easy access.
Comfortable Reading Gear: A high-quality magnifier or a neck-caddy for books/tablet, and a book light.




3. Experiences (Time > Items)

A "Memory Trip": A trip to a place that held significance in his younger years, arranged with comfortable, accessible transportation.
Intimate Family Concert: A live performance featuring music from his youth (e.g., early 20th-century classical or folk).
Quality Time: A scheduled, quiet, and meaningful afternoon with family, perhaps recording stories to pass down.




4. Health & Wellness (Longevity Focus)

Advanced Diagnostic Membership: A membership to a longevity clinic (like Fountain Life) for proactive health management.
High-End Air Purifier: A HEPA air filter to ensure the cleanest possible air quality.
Nutrient-Dense Food Delivery: A subscription for healthy, easy-to-digest, or gourmet meals.


Summary Recommendation: The best gift is one that shows appreciation for his unique perspective, such as a personalized, handwritten letter book from every descendant or a high-end, customized piece of art reflecting his long life."

Best
Rob]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5138.html Sat, 31 Jan 2026 17:37:13 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5138.html
Trump wants to build a 250-foot-tall arch, dwarfing the Lincoln Memorial.

The president is eyeing a plot of land near Memorial Bridge. The art critic who proposed the idea called for a smaller arch or for Trump to pick a new site.

The White House stands about 70 feet tall. The Lincoln Memorial, roughly 100 feet. The triumphal arch President Donald Trump wants to build would eclipse both if he gets his wish.

Trump has grown attached to the idea of a 250-foot-tall structure overlooking the Potomac River, according to two people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe his comments, a scale that has alarmed some architectural experts who initially supported the idea of an arch but expected a far smaller one.]]>
Trump wants to build a 250-foot-tall arch, dwarfing the Lincoln Memorial.

The president is eyeing a plot of land near Memorial Bridge. The art critic who proposed the idea called for a smaller arch or for Trump to pick a new site.

The White House stands about 70 feet tall. The Lincoln Memorial, roughly 100 feet. The triumphal arch President Donald Trump wants to build would eclipse both if he gets his wish.

Trump has grown attached to the idea of a 250-foot-tall structure overlooking the Potomac River, according to two people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe his comments, a scale that has alarmed some architectural experts who initially supported the idea of an arch but expected a far smaller one.]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5128.html Sun, 14 Dec 2025 23:49:18 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5128.html
I wonder if that person had heard stories about Lincoln from their father or mother. I also wonder how many other people are still living whose father or someone they knew also voted for Lincoln.]]>
I wonder if that person had heard stories about Lincoln from their father or mother. I also wonder how many other people are still living whose father or someone they knew also voted for Lincoln.]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5123.html Wed, 19 Nov 2025 12:00:40 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5123.html https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democra...h-responds

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges, but
Does any one see any similarities to President Trump's current situation per the above article, and Lincoln's situation with Vallandigham?

Any wisdom for the President on how Lincoln dealt with his problem?
Please keep your response brief and respectful of others.
We are here to learn about and from Lincoln.]]> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democra...h-responds

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges, but
Does any one see any similarities to President Trump's current situation per the above article, and Lincoln's situation with Vallandigham?

Any wisdom for the President on how Lincoln dealt with his problem?
Please keep your response brief and respectful of others.
We are here to learn about and from Lincoln.]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5122.html Tue, 18 Nov 2025 17:27:02 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5122.html
By Edward Epstein, Washington, D.C., Monday, September 25, 2023

Zelensky paid a whirlwind visit to Washington on Thursday in a bid to bolster support for his country in its protracted and bloody war with Russia. After meeting with President Joe Biden at the White House and with congressional leaders in the Capitol, he went to the National Archives to deliver a speech. Before speaking, he toured the National Archives museum, where he came face to face with a tough-worded telegram that President Abraham Lincoln sent to his commanding general Ulysses S. Grant on August 17, 1864, in the midst of a year of heavy fighting with Confederate forces, from the Wilderness to Cold Harbor to the Crater.

It was a gloomy summer for Union fortunes, leading many -- including Lincoln himself -- to fear that he would lose his re-election bid that November.

Addressed to Lt. Gen. Grant at his City Point, Va., headquarters, the telegram read: "I have seen your dispatch expressing your unwillingness to break your hold where you are. Neither am I willing. Hold on with a bulldog grip and chew & choke, as much as possible."

After his Archives speech, Zelensky posted on X, formerly known as Twitter: "Among the documents I saw today at the National Archives was Abraham Lincoln’s telegram to General Grant. An inspiring document. 'Hold on with a bulldog grip, and chew and choke as much as possible.' President Lincoln’s words reflect the courage and faith that helped America. President Lincoln’s words reflect exactly how Ukrainians fight."

And later he added, "Every day of this war, Ukrainian soldiers hold on with the grip of a bulldog. They chew and choke the Russian occupiers as much as possible."]]>
By Edward Epstein, Washington, D.C., Monday, September 25, 2023

Zelensky paid a whirlwind visit to Washington on Thursday in a bid to bolster support for his country in its protracted and bloody war with Russia. After meeting with President Joe Biden at the White House and with congressional leaders in the Capitol, he went to the National Archives to deliver a speech. Before speaking, he toured the National Archives museum, where he came face to face with a tough-worded telegram that President Abraham Lincoln sent to his commanding general Ulysses S. Grant on August 17, 1864, in the midst of a year of heavy fighting with Confederate forces, from the Wilderness to Cold Harbor to the Crater.

It was a gloomy summer for Union fortunes, leading many -- including Lincoln himself -- to fear that he would lose his re-election bid that November.

Addressed to Lt. Gen. Grant at his City Point, Va., headquarters, the telegram read: "I have seen your dispatch expressing your unwillingness to break your hold where you are. Neither am I willing. Hold on with a bulldog grip and chew & choke, as much as possible."

After his Archives speech, Zelensky posted on X, formerly known as Twitter: "Among the documents I saw today at the National Archives was Abraham Lincoln’s telegram to General Grant. An inspiring document. 'Hold on with a bulldog grip, and chew and choke as much as possible.' President Lincoln’s words reflect the courage and faith that helped America. President Lincoln’s words reflect exactly how Ukrainians fight."

And later he added, "Every day of this war, Ukrainian soldiers hold on with the grip of a bulldog. They chew and choke the Russian occupiers as much as possible."]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5111.html Wed, 15 Oct 2025 15:50:32 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5111.html There are two parts to this Youtube video.

"The First Three-Chapters of this important 1974 Mini-Series - based on Carl Sandburg's six-volume biography "Abraham Lincoln: The Prairie Years" and "Abraham Lincoln: The War Years" -- collectively considered by many to be the best-selling, most widely read, and most influential books about Lincoln. Produced by the legendary David L. Wolper ("Roots"), this groundbreaking portrait follows Abraham Lincoln s life from his early years as a lawyer on the Illinois prairie to his rise in politics, highlighted by the election campaign that led him to the White House.

This is not a typical mini-series, in that its 6 episodes were made and shown over a period of some 20 months between 1974 and 1976. The story of Lincoln's life is also not sequential, and cover Lincoln only from around the time he met Mary Todd until his assassination.

Hal Holbrook - who won an Emmy for Outstanding Lead Actor - also played President Abraham Lincoln in both North & South (1985) mini-series."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQpe5WFtpt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3vfI_ShlHY

Please share your comments on the videos with us.
Has it held up well over time?]]> There are two parts to this Youtube video.

"The First Three-Chapters of this important 1974 Mini-Series - based on Carl Sandburg's six-volume biography "Abraham Lincoln: The Prairie Years" and "Abraham Lincoln: The War Years" -- collectively considered by many to be the best-selling, most widely read, and most influential books about Lincoln. Produced by the legendary David L. Wolper ("Roots"), this groundbreaking portrait follows Abraham Lincoln s life from his early years as a lawyer on the Illinois prairie to his rise in politics, highlighted by the election campaign that led him to the White House.

This is not a typical mini-series, in that its 6 episodes were made and shown over a period of some 20 months between 1974 and 1976. The story of Lincoln's life is also not sequential, and cover Lincoln only from around the time he met Mary Todd until his assassination.

Hal Holbrook - who won an Emmy for Outstanding Lead Actor - also played President Abraham Lincoln in both North & South (1985) mini-series."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQpe5WFtpt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3vfI_ShlHY

Please share your comments on the videos with us.
Has it held up well over time?]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5049.html Tue, 08 Apr 2025 02:46:16 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5049.html
Who wrote these words in a letter read by President Lincoln shortly before this man was to be executed upon the order of President Lincoln?]]>
Who wrote these words in a letter read by President Lincoln shortly before this man was to be executed upon the order of President Lincoln?]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5038.html Tue, 04 Mar 2025 16:58:51 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5038.html
"Fellow countrymen: at this second appearing to take the oath of the presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends is as well known to the public as to myself and it is I trust reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future no prediction in regard to it is ventured.

"On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it ~ all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place devoted altogether to saving the Union without war insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war ~ seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came.

"One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves not distributed generally over the union but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen perpetuate and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war while the government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered ~ that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses for it must needs be that offenses come but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which in the providence of God must needs come but which having continued through His appointed time He now wills to remove and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him. Fondly do we hope ~ fervently do we pray ~ that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword as was said three thousand years ago so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'

"With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right let us strive on to finish the work we are in to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan ~ to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

Ronald White calls this Lincoln's greatest speech, although I, personally, would give that nod to the Gettysburg Address.

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Rob]]>
"Fellow countrymen: at this second appearing to take the oath of the presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends is as well known to the public as to myself and it is I trust reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future no prediction in regard to it is ventured.

"On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it ~ all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place devoted altogether to saving the Union without war insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war ~ seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came.

"One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves not distributed generally over the union but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen perpetuate and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war while the government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered ~ that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses for it must needs be that offenses come but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which in the providence of God must needs come but which having continued through His appointed time He now wills to remove and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him. Fondly do we hope ~ fervently do we pray ~ that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword as was said three thousand years ago so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'

"With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right let us strive on to finish the work we are in to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan ~ to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

Ronald White calls this Lincoln's greatest speech, although I, personally, would give that nod to the Gettysburg Address.

Best
Rob]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4992.html Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:54:48 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4992.html guess what happened on this day in history, Sept 27, 1937 ?

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/this-d...t-rushmore]]> guess what happened on this day in history, Sept 27, 1937 ?

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/this-d...t-rushmore]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4976.html Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:38:12 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4976.html
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https://people.com/lover-of-men-abraham-...ve-8675362]]>
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https://people.com/lover-of-men-abraham-...ve-8675362]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4974.html Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:20:22 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4974.html
Do you remember when I loaned you that $45,000. I need it back. Here's why.

https://alincolnbookshop.com/product/gut...onze-bust/

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Rob]]>
Do you remember when I loaned you that $45,000. I need it back. Here's why.

https://alincolnbookshop.com/product/gut...onze-bust/

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Rob]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4965.html Mon, 20 May 2024 13:29:34 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4965.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5l1XBL16p0]]>
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5l1XBL16p0]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4952.html Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:33:48 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4952.html McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, 404-405 (1819) and made an interesting discovery for myself. The U.S. Supreme Court's opinion was written by Chief Justice John Marshall:

"[I]n order to form a more perfect union," it was deemed necessary to change this alliance into an effective Government, possessing great and sovereign powers and acting directly on the people, the necessity of referring it to the people, and deriving its powers directly from them, was felt and acknowledged by all. The Government of the Union then (whatever may be the influence of this fact on the case) is, emphatically and truly a Government of the people.(1) In form and substance, it emanates from them.(2) Its powers are granted by them, and are to be exercised directly on them, and for their benefit.(3)]]> McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, 404-405 (1819) and made an interesting discovery for myself. The U.S. Supreme Court's opinion was written by Chief Justice John Marshall:

"[I]n order to form a more perfect union," it was deemed necessary to change this alliance into an effective Government, possessing great and sovereign powers and acting directly on the people, the necessity of referring it to the people, and deriving its powers directly from them, was felt and acknowledged by all. The Government of the Union then (whatever may be the influence of this fact on the case) is, emphatically and truly a Government of the people.(1) In form and substance, it emanates from them.(2) Its powers are granted by them, and are to be exercised directly on them, and for their benefit.(3)]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4944.html Tue, 26 Mar 2024 16:31:02 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4944.html Lincoln Herald has issued a call for submissions:

http://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnHerald100.pdf]]> Lincoln Herald has issued a call for submissions:

http://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnHerald100.pdf]]> https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4934.html Tue, 12 Mar 2024 18:21:41 +0000 https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4934.html President's inaugural luncheon in March 1861 featured corned beef, often made in Ireland
By Kerry J. Byrne Fox News
Published March 11, 2024 10:00am EDT
Eight score and three years ago, President Abraham Lincoln brought forth on this continent the proposition that all corned beefs are created delicious.
Scholars and food historians suggest that Lincoln, corned beef connoisseur turned commander-in-chief, was a catalyst behind the salt-cured meat's rise to become the signature dish of St. Patrick's Day celebrations in the United States.
"Mr. Lincoln enjoyed oysters, venison, corned beef and cabbage, and the Midwestern foods, including beef, pork, chicken, potatoes and corn," the National Park Service writes in a profile of domestic life at Abraham and Mary Lincoln's family home in Springfield, Illinois.
His family enjoyed corned beef as well, the NPS claims.
Lincoln's taste for corned beef gained national attention during his first inaugural luncheon at The Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C. on March 4, 1861, just two weeks before St. Patrick's Day.
The celebratory menu for the nation's top dignitaries "consisted of mock turtle soup, corned beef and cabbage, parsley potatoes, blackberry pie and coffee," the NPS reports.

Corned beef is traditionally consumed in the U.S. on St. Patrick's Day. ( BeefItsWhatsForDinner.com)
The choice of corned beef may have been made for purposes of politics as well as palate.
The potato famine forced the Irish to flood the United States in shocking numbers in the late 1840s and 1850s.
About 1.2 million immigrants arrived from Ireland in just eight years, from 1847 to 1854.
The election of 1860 was the first presidential election in which new Irish-American citizens were a major political force.
And corned beef would have been an instantly recognizable product of Ireland, authors Máirtín Mac Con Iomaire and Pádraic Óg Gallagher wrote for the Technological University of Dublin in a 2011 treatise, "Irish Corned Beef: A Culinary History."

Menu from The Willard Hotel in Feb. 1861 — with corned beef served two different ways. (Courtesy Special Collections, University of Houston Libraries)
Corned beef is simply meat preserved in salt brine.
The name "corned" is, according to multiple sources, simply a reference to the large kernels of salt used to cure the beef.
Ireland, despite centuries of poverty, possessed two things in abundance: cows and salt.
"With the large quantities of cattle and high-quality salt, Irish corned beef was the best on the market," Iomaire and Gallagher write.
"Irish corned beef had a stranglehold on the trans-Atlantic trade routes, supplying the French and British navies and the American and French colonies."

The Lincoln family — from right, President Abraham Lincoln, sons Thomas and Robert, and his wife, Mary. Abraham Lincoln, as well as his family, enjoyed corned beef, according to historians. Original Artwork: Printed by Currier & Ives. (MPI/Getty Images)
But, the authors note, "the ones producing the corned beef, the Irish people, could not afford beef or corned beef for themselves."
Irish fortunes changed when they arrived in the United States.
"The Irish could afford meat for the first time," write Iomaire and Gallagher. "And the beef they could afford just happened to be corned beef, the thing their great-grandparents were famous for."
As the authors suggest, "Perhaps the proximity to St. Patrick’s Day influenced President Lincoln’s consumption of corned beef, cabbage and parsley potatoes at his inauguration dinner."
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/abe-li...lebrations

  menu.jpg (Size: 103.17 KB / Downloads: 4) ]]> President's inaugural luncheon in March 1861 featured corned beef, often made in Ireland
By Kerry J. Byrne Fox News
Published March 11, 2024 10:00am EDT
Eight score and three years ago, President Abraham Lincoln brought forth on this continent the proposition that all corned beefs are created delicious.
Scholars and food historians suggest that Lincoln, corned beef connoisseur turned commander-in-chief, was a catalyst behind the salt-cured meat's rise to become the signature dish of St. Patrick's Day celebrations in the United States.
"Mr. Lincoln enjoyed oysters, venison, corned beef and cabbage, and the Midwestern foods, including beef, pork, chicken, potatoes and corn," the National Park Service writes in a profile of domestic life at Abraham and Mary Lincoln's family home in Springfield, Illinois.
His family enjoyed corned beef as well, the NPS claims.
Lincoln's taste for corned beef gained national attention during his first inaugural luncheon at The Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C. on March 4, 1861, just two weeks before St. Patrick's Day.
The celebratory menu for the nation's top dignitaries "consisted of mock turtle soup, corned beef and cabbage, parsley potatoes, blackberry pie and coffee," the NPS reports.

Corned beef is traditionally consumed in the U.S. on St. Patrick's Day. ( BeefItsWhatsForDinner.com)
The choice of corned beef may have been made for purposes of politics as well as palate.
The potato famine forced the Irish to flood the United States in shocking numbers in the late 1840s and 1850s.
About 1.2 million immigrants arrived from Ireland in just eight years, from 1847 to 1854.
The election of 1860 was the first presidential election in which new Irish-American citizens were a major political force.
And corned beef would have been an instantly recognizable product of Ireland, authors Máirtín Mac Con Iomaire and Pádraic Óg Gallagher wrote for the Technological University of Dublin in a 2011 treatise, "Irish Corned Beef: A Culinary History."

Menu from The Willard Hotel in Feb. 1861 — with corned beef served two different ways. (Courtesy Special Collections, University of Houston Libraries)
Corned beef is simply meat preserved in salt brine.
The name "corned" is, according to multiple sources, simply a reference to the large kernels of salt used to cure the beef.
Ireland, despite centuries of poverty, possessed two things in abundance: cows and salt.
"With the large quantities of cattle and high-quality salt, Irish corned beef was the best on the market," Iomaire and Gallagher write.
"Irish corned beef had a stranglehold on the trans-Atlantic trade routes, supplying the French and British navies and the American and French colonies."

The Lincoln family — from right, President Abraham Lincoln, sons Thomas and Robert, and his wife, Mary. Abraham Lincoln, as well as his family, enjoyed corned beef, according to historians. Original Artwork: Printed by Currier & Ives. (MPI/Getty Images)
But, the authors note, "the ones producing the corned beef, the Irish people, could not afford beef or corned beef for themselves."
Irish fortunes changed when they arrived in the United States.
"The Irish could afford meat for the first time," write Iomaire and Gallagher. "And the beef they could afford just happened to be corned beef, the thing their great-grandparents were famous for."
As the authors suggest, "Perhaps the proximity to St. Patrick’s Day influenced President Lincoln’s consumption of corned beef, cabbage and parsley potatoes at his inauguration dinner."
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/abe-li...lebrations

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"C-SPAN has scheduled its first two broadcasts (February 17 and 24) taped at The Lincoln Forum’s 28th annual symposium in Gettysburg. Lincoln Presidential Foundation was proud to partner with The Lincoln Forum on this symposium and for its President & CEO to serve as a speaker and moderator.
Mark your calendars to hear from a great lineup of historians on CSPAN 2, Feb. 17, starting at 2 pm EST!
Feb 17th presentations to include:
Ronald White on Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
Kate Masur on pre-war Black Codes in Illinois
Craig Symonds on David G. Farragut and Chester Nimitz.

Feb 24th presentations to include:
Jonathan White on “A Tale of Two Slave Traders”.
Panel discussion: Lincoln the Great Communicator, with Edward Achorn, Joseph Fornieri, Harold Holzer, Ronald White, and Erin Carlson Mast as moderator."

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"C-SPAN has scheduled its first two broadcasts (February 17 and 24) taped at The Lincoln Forum’s 28th annual symposium in Gettysburg. Lincoln Presidential Foundation was proud to partner with The Lincoln Forum on this symposium and for its President & CEO to serve as a speaker and moderator.
Mark your calendars to hear from a great lineup of historians on CSPAN 2, Feb. 17, starting at 2 pm EST!
Feb 17th presentations to include:
Ronald White on Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
Kate Masur on pre-war Black Codes in Illinois
Craig Symonds on David G. Farragut and Chester Nimitz.

Feb 24th presentations to include:
Jonathan White on “A Tale of Two Slave Traders”.
Panel discussion: Lincoln the Great Communicator, with Edward Achorn, Joseph Fornieri, Harold Holzer, Ronald White, and Erin Carlson Mast as moderator."

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In the heart of 19th-century America, where the crackling energy of change and progress surged through the nation, there was an unexpected and unparalleled talent that emerged. Abraham Lincoln, the 16th President of the United States, was known for his towering stature, his eloquent speeches, and his remarkable leadership during a time of great upheaval. However, there was one aspect of Lincoln's life that remained a well-kept secret – he was a rapper.

It all began on a stormy evening in the White House. Lincoln, burdened by the weight of the Civil War and the destiny of a divided nation, sought solace in a unique form of self-expression. Alone in his study, surrounded by the shadows of history, he started jotting down verses that rhymed, wordplay that struck a chord, and rhythms that echoed his emotions.

One evening, when the moon shone bright through his window, he decided to share his newfound passion with a trusted friend and fellow wordsmith, Frederick Douglass. Douglass, the famed abolitionist, had a penchant for poetry and an appreciation for Lincoln's wit.

"Fred, I've got something to show you," Lincoln said with a glint in his eye.

Douglass raised an eyebrow, not sure what to expect from the President. Lincoln walked to his desk, shuffled through some papers, and then, with a slight hesitation, he cleared his throat and began to rap:

"I'm Abraham Lincoln, President's my name,
I fight for freedom, and I won't be tamed.
From Illinois to D.C., I've come to lead,
A nation torn apart, in slavery's greed."

Frederick Douglass was struck by Lincoln's poetic prowess. He had heard many speeches, but this was something entirely different. Lincoln's rhymes were not only eloquent but carried a message that resonated deeply with the times.

"Mr. President, you've got a gift," Douglass declared. "Your words could unite this nation even further, through a different medium."

Lincoln, who had found an unexpected release in his rap, agreed to Douglass's suggestion. They began to work on more verses together, crafting messages of unity and emancipation. They even decided to take their talents to the public, hosting secret rap battles within the White House, inviting influential figures of the day.

Word of the President's hidden talent began to spread throughout Washington, and soon, the rap battles in the White House became legendary. Lincoln was known for his tall stature, but his presence in the rap scene was towering in a different way. His verses resonated with people, and his message of equality and freedom was carried far and wide.

As the Civil War raged on, Lincoln's rap performances became a symbol of hope and determination. He would often end his rap sessions with a powerful verse:

"We're a nation divided, but we'll unite, that's the key,
With words as our weapons, and freedom for all to see.
I'm not just a President; I'm a rapper on the stage,
And together, we'll write a new chapter for this age."

Ultimately, the Civil War came to an end, and Lincoln's leadership played a pivotal role in the nation's healing. While his rap career was largely forgotten by history, the impact of his words and the unity they inspired would be felt for generations to come.

Abraham Lincoln, the rapper President, had shown that even in the darkest of times, music and the power of words could bridge the deepest divides and lead a nation toward a brighter future.

Hmmm. Maybe I should focus on this.....nah!

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In the heart of 19th-century America, where the crackling energy of change and progress surged through the nation, there was an unexpected and unparalleled talent that emerged. Abraham Lincoln, the 16th President of the United States, was known for his towering stature, his eloquent speeches, and his remarkable leadership during a time of great upheaval. However, there was one aspect of Lincoln's life that remained a well-kept secret – he was a rapper.

It all began on a stormy evening in the White House. Lincoln, burdened by the weight of the Civil War and the destiny of a divided nation, sought solace in a unique form of self-expression. Alone in his study, surrounded by the shadows of history, he started jotting down verses that rhymed, wordplay that struck a chord, and rhythms that echoed his emotions.

One evening, when the moon shone bright through his window, he decided to share his newfound passion with a trusted friend and fellow wordsmith, Frederick Douglass. Douglass, the famed abolitionist, had a penchant for poetry and an appreciation for Lincoln's wit.

"Fred, I've got something to show you," Lincoln said with a glint in his eye.

Douglass raised an eyebrow, not sure what to expect from the President. Lincoln walked to his desk, shuffled through some papers, and then, with a slight hesitation, he cleared his throat and began to rap:

"I'm Abraham Lincoln, President's my name,
I fight for freedom, and I won't be tamed.
From Illinois to D.C., I've come to lead,
A nation torn apart, in slavery's greed."

Frederick Douglass was struck by Lincoln's poetic prowess. He had heard many speeches, but this was something entirely different. Lincoln's rhymes were not only eloquent but carried a message that resonated deeply with the times.

"Mr. President, you've got a gift," Douglass declared. "Your words could unite this nation even further, through a different medium."

Lincoln, who had found an unexpected release in his rap, agreed to Douglass's suggestion. They began to work on more verses together, crafting messages of unity and emancipation. They even decided to take their talents to the public, hosting secret rap battles within the White House, inviting influential figures of the day.

Word of the President's hidden talent began to spread throughout Washington, and soon, the rap battles in the White House became legendary. Lincoln was known for his tall stature, but his presence in the rap scene was towering in a different way. His verses resonated with people, and his message of equality and freedom was carried far and wide.

As the Civil War raged on, Lincoln's rap performances became a symbol of hope and determination. He would often end his rap sessions with a powerful verse:

"We're a nation divided, but we'll unite, that's the key,
With words as our weapons, and freedom for all to see.
I'm not just a President; I'm a rapper on the stage,
And together, we'll write a new chapter for this age."

Ultimately, the Civil War came to an end, and Lincoln's leadership played a pivotal role in the nation's healing. While his rap career was largely forgotten by history, the impact of his words and the unity they inspired would be felt for generations to come.

Abraham Lincoln, the rapper President, had shown that even in the darkest of times, music and the power of words could bridge the deepest divides and lead a nation toward a brighter future.

Hmmm. Maybe I should focus on this.....nah!

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For example, do you need an extra set of keys to lock things up? How about these keys from the Lincoln law office that sold for $27,000?



Need a place to store those multiple tomes you have lying around the house on Lincoln? Try this bookcase from the law office that sold for $30,000.



But if neither of those strikes your fancy, and you have the big bucks that you want to put aside in order to keep your heirs from getting it, how about this bust of Lincoln done by Leonard Volk that was given to Lincoln by the sculptor. It sold for $399,000.



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For example, do you need an extra set of keys to lock things up? How about these keys from the Lincoln law office that sold for $27,000?



Need a place to store those multiple tomes you have lying around the house on Lincoln? Try this bookcase from the law office that sold for $30,000.



But if neither of those strikes your fancy, and you have the big bucks that you want to put aside in order to keep your heirs from getting it, how about this bust of Lincoln done by Leonard Volk that was given to Lincoln by the sculptor. It sold for $399,000.



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