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		<title><![CDATA[Lincoln Discussion Symposium - <span style="color:GREEN;">Mary Lincoln and the Boys</span>]]></title>
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			<title><![CDATA[Mary Lincoln's Clothes]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2025 12:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Yesterday was Mary Lincoln's Birthday.  <br />
<br />
In her honor, I want to share this article about something that was important to her.<br />
<br />
This is more about fashion, but it can give us a little more insight into her personality by what she wore.  A common phrase is "clothes make the man".  This is also true for women.  <br />
Mary Lincoln certainly believed this to be true. <br />
<br />
According to Google AI Overview (artificial Intelligence)<br />
"Clothes make the man" is an idiom meaning your attire significantly influences how others perceive your status, character, and competence, affecting first impressions and social interactions, though it also reflects deeper psychological ideas about how clothing shapes self-perception and behavior (enclothed cognition). While classic proverbs like this (with roots in Latin/Greek) highlight clothing's power, modern views emphasize that while appearance matters, actions define true character. <br />
<br />
Happy Birthday Mrs. Lincoln.   <br />
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<a href="https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/1862-keckley-green-day-dress/#:~:text=The%20pair%20discovered%20that%20the%20dress%20measured,fashion%20histo&#8203;ry%20and%20honored%20Keckley's%20dressmaking%20achievement." target="_blank">https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/1862-k...hievement.</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Yesterday was Mary Lincoln's Birthday.  <br />
<br />
In her honor, I want to share this article about something that was important to her.<br />
<br />
This is more about fashion, but it can give us a little more insight into her personality by what she wore.  A common phrase is "clothes make the man".  This is also true for women.  <br />
Mary Lincoln certainly believed this to be true. <br />
<br />
According to Google AI Overview (artificial Intelligence)<br />
"Clothes make the man" is an idiom meaning your attire significantly influences how others perceive your status, character, and competence, affecting first impressions and social interactions, though it also reflects deeper psychological ideas about how clothing shapes self-perception and behavior (enclothed cognition). While classic proverbs like this (with roots in Latin/Greek) highlight clothing's power, modern views emphasize that while appearance matters, actions define true character. <br />
<br />
Happy Birthday Mrs. Lincoln.   <br />
<br />
<a href="https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/1862-keckley-green-day-dress/#:~:text=The%20pair%20discovered%20that%20the%20dress%20measured,fashion%20histo&#8203;ry%20and%20honored%20Keckley's%20dressmaking%20achievement." target="_blank">https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/1862-k...hievement.</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[regarding Mrs Lincoln]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-5077.html</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2025 00:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[saw this story<br />
<a href="https://historymyths.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/mary-todd-lincoln-hoax/" target="_blank">https://historymyths.wordpress.com/2012/...coln-hoax/</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[saw this story<br />
<a href="https://historymyths.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/mary-todd-lincoln-hoax/" target="_blank">https://historymyths.wordpress.com/2012/...coln-hoax/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[$$$]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4983.html</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 12:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I understand that MTL's estate was worth around &#36;80,000 at the time of her death (1882). Does anybody know what that would be in today's dollars? Thanks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I understand that MTL's estate was worth around &#36;80,000 at the time of her death (1882). Does anybody know what that would be in today's dollars? Thanks]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[fox news]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4961.html</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2024 00:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Did anybody see this on fox news?<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/letter-mary-todd-lincoln-newly-discovered-shows-rare-side-former-first-lady-expert" target="_blank">https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/le...ady-expert</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Did anybody see this on fox news?<br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/letter-mary-todd-lincoln-newly-discovered-shows-rare-side-former-first-lady-expert" target="_blank">https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/le...ady-expert</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[An In Depth View Of Mary Todd Linoln's Life]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4909.html</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2024 17:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Written by (former?) member Dr. Neil Gale from Oct., 2018<br />
<br />
<a href="https://drloihjournal.blogspot.com/2018/10/an-in-depth-look-at-mary-todd-lincolns-life.html" target="_blank">https://drloihjournal.blogspot.com/2018/...-life.html</a><br />
<br />
I found the section about Mary's life after the White House the most interesting, such as<br />
 "<span style="font-style: italic;">10 days after Tad's death, Robert left for the Rocky Mountains, where he remained in seclusion for a month. The locale was a favored place for men who were suffering from "nervous" disorders. Robert would later express that he'd been "all used up" after his brother's death.</span><br />
<br />
and <span style="font-style: italic;">"Soon, Mary was no longer welcome in Robert's house—it may have been because she learned of her daughter-in-law's struggle with alcoholism.</span><br />
<br />
There is also a very nice colorized photo of Mrs Lincoln]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Written by (former?) member Dr. Neil Gale from Oct., 2018<br />
<br />
<a href="https://drloihjournal.blogspot.com/2018/10/an-in-depth-look-at-mary-todd-lincolns-life.html" target="_blank">https://drloihjournal.blogspot.com/2018/...-life.html</a><br />
<br />
I found the section about Mary's life after the White House the most interesting, such as<br />
 "<span style="font-style: italic;">10 days after Tad's death, Robert left for the Rocky Mountains, where he remained in seclusion for a month. The locale was a favored place for men who were suffering from "nervous" disorders. Robert would later express that he'd been "all used up" after his brother's death.</span><br />
<br />
and <span style="font-style: italic;">"Soon, Mary was no longer welcome in Robert's house—it may have been because she learned of her daughter-in-law's struggle with alcoholism.</span><br />
<br />
There is also a very nice colorized photo of Mrs Lincoln]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Willie Lincoln and Calvin Coolidge, Jr]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4838.html</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2023 14:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[There are a number of historians who state that there were two halves of the Calvin Coolidge presidency--before and after the tragic and sudden demise in July 1924 of his beloved son and namesake. Before, he seemed to enjoy the presidency and was an engaged chief executive. After his son's death, President Coolidge is said to have slept up to 15 hours per day and exhibited most of the symptoms of clinical depression--including bursts of anger, sometimes directed at Grace Coolidge. This lasted throughout the last 4.5 years of his roughly 5.5 year presidency.<br />
<br />
Lincoln, of course, was traumatized by Willie's death, but he quickly returned his attention to the War and his duties as president. It is all speculation, obviously, but I wonder if Lincoln would have been like Coolidge if he was not facing an existential national crisis and whether Coolidge would have been more like Lincoln if he had not presided over, at least superficially, a "dormant" period.<br />
<br />
In an odd way, did the Civil War save Lincoln in February 1862?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[There are a number of historians who state that there were two halves of the Calvin Coolidge presidency--before and after the tragic and sudden demise in July 1924 of his beloved son and namesake. Before, he seemed to enjoy the presidency and was an engaged chief executive. After his son's death, President Coolidge is said to have slept up to 15 hours per day and exhibited most of the symptoms of clinical depression--including bursts of anger, sometimes directed at Grace Coolidge. This lasted throughout the last 4.5 years of his roughly 5.5 year presidency.<br />
<br />
Lincoln, of course, was traumatized by Willie's death, but he quickly returned his attention to the War and his duties as president. It is all speculation, obviously, but I wonder if Lincoln would have been like Coolidge if he was not facing an existential national crisis and whether Coolidge would have been more like Lincoln if he had not presided over, at least superficially, a "dormant" period.<br />
<br />
In an odd way, did the Civil War save Lincoln in February 1862?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Inside the Mary Todd Lincoln House]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4758.html</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2023 15:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.courier-journal.com/picture-gallery/life/home-garden/home-of-the-week/2023/02/16/explore-mary-todd-lincolns-house-lexington/11231856002/" target="_blank">https://www.courier-journal.com/picture-...231856002/</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.courier-journal.com/picture-gallery/life/home-garden/home-of-the-week/2023/02/16/explore-mary-todd-lincolns-house-lexington/11231856002/" target="_blank">https://www.courier-journal.com/picture-...231856002/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Willie Lincoln]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4706.html</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[A short video "A Look At William 'Willie" Wallace Lincoln's Life" by forum member Samuel Wheeler.  <br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzt7B925I_c&amp;list=PLkpbnbei7uaErKo9b7ktsM6BcUg8ifjuT&amp;index=1" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzt7B925...uT&index=1</a><br />
<br />
Makes me want to visit the museum and library again soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[A short video "A Look At William 'Willie" Wallace Lincoln's Life" by forum member Samuel Wheeler.  <br />
<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzt7B925I_c&amp;list=PLkpbnbei7uaErKo9b7ktsM6BcUg8ifjuT&amp;index=1" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzt7B925...uT&index=1</a><br />
<br />
Makes me want to visit the museum and library again soon.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Mary Lincoln orders a headstone?]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4626.html</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2022 01:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have a subscription to NewspaperArchive.com for six months as I'm trying to do some more research on Tarbell's non-Lincoln life. One reason I subscribed is because they have papers from Oil City and Pithole, towns where Ida and family either lived or worked. In looking over the <span style="font-style: italic;">Pithole City Daily Recorder</span> I noticed the following:<br />
<br />
<a href="https://imgbox.com/c8lYh924" target="_blank"><img src="https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/8f/06/c8lYh924_t.jpg" border="0" alt="[Image: c8lYh924_t.jpg]" /></a><br />
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It came from the November 30, 1865 edition of the paper. While I don't claim to have complete knowledge of Mary, I don't think I've ever heard of this stone before. Has anyone else? If she did order this, it's obvious that it never marked a grave of Lincoln, nor do I ever remember it being talked about after Mary's death.<br />
<br />
Anyone have any ideas?<br />
<br />
Best<br />
Rob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I have a subscription to NewspaperArchive.com for six months as I'm trying to do some more research on Tarbell's non-Lincoln life. One reason I subscribed is because they have papers from Oil City and Pithole, towns where Ida and family either lived or worked. In looking over the <span style="font-style: italic;">Pithole City Daily Recorder</span> I noticed the following:<br />
<br />
<a href="https://imgbox.com/c8lYh924" target="_blank"><img src="https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/8f/06/c8lYh924_t.jpg" border="0" alt="[Image: c8lYh924_t.jpg]" /></a><br />
<br />
It came from the November 30, 1865 edition of the paper. While I don't claim to have complete knowledge of Mary, I don't think I've ever heard of this stone before. Has anyone else? If she did order this, it's obvious that it never marked a grave of Lincoln, nor do I ever remember it being talked about after Mary's death.<br />
<br />
Anyone have any ideas?<br />
<br />
Best<br />
Rob]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Understanding Mary Lincoln]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4487.html</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2021 15:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[The link below is from the March 2021 newsletter from Abraham Lincolns Cottage.<br />
<br />
It's titled "Understanding Mary Lincoln".  It's a questions and answer podcast regarding Mary Lincoln and her mental health, titled "Wasn't She Crazy?  <br />
<br />
If you don't want to listen to the podcast, there is a written transcript also in the link. <br />
    <a href="https://www.lincolncottage.org/q-abe-episode-3-2/" target="_blank">https://www.lincolncottage.org/q-abe-episode-3-2/</a><br />
<br />
I haven't listened to it all yet, so please share your comments.<br />
<br />
Here is a link from other podcasts from the Abraham Lincoln Cottage   <a href="https://www.lincolncottage.org/learn/podcast/" target="_blank">https://www.lincolncottage.org/learn/podcast/</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[The link below is from the March 2021 newsletter from Abraham Lincolns Cottage.<br />
<br />
It's titled "Understanding Mary Lincoln".  It's a questions and answer podcast regarding Mary Lincoln and her mental health, titled "Wasn't She Crazy?  <br />
<br />
If you don't want to listen to the podcast, there is a written transcript also in the link. <br />
    <a href="https://www.lincolncottage.org/q-abe-episode-3-2/" target="_blank">https://www.lincolncottage.org/q-abe-episode-3-2/</a><br />
<br />
I haven't listened to it all yet, so please share your comments.<br />
<br />
Here is a link from other podcasts from the Abraham Lincoln Cottage   <a href="https://www.lincolncottage.org/learn/podcast/" target="_blank">https://www.lincolncottage.org/learn/podcast/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Mary Todd and Robert Lincoln and the Great Chicago Fire of 1871]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4426.html</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="color: #FF0000;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Mary Todd and Robert Lincoln - In the Midst of the Great Chicago Fire, 1871.</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">After John Wilkes Booth shot President Lincoln on April 14, 1865, at Ford's Theatre in Washington, D.C., and his passing on Saturday, April 15, 1865, Mary Lincoln departed Washington by train to Chicago with her son Thomas 'Tad.' They moved into the Tremont House [Hotel]. <br />
<br />
Later, Mary, Robert, and Tad moved into the Hyde Park Hotel. Robert Todd Lincoln moved into his own residence by the end of 1865 at 653 South Wabash Avenue (today's address on the 1200 block of South Wabash Avenue), Chicago.<br />
<br />
In 1866 Mary purchased a home for &#36;17,000 (&#36;300,700 today) at 375 West Washington Boulevard (today's address is 1238 West Washington Boulevard) in Chicago, located between Willard Court (Ann Street) and Elizabeth Street.<br />
<br />
In May of 1867, Mary rented out her house and they moved into the Clifton House Hotel at the southeast corner of Wabash and Madison. <br />
<br />
Later that year, they moved back to her old neighborhood and lived at 460 West Washington (today's address is 1407 West Washington Boulevard), across the street from Union Park at Ogden Avenue. <br />
<br />
Again in 1868, Mary and Tad moved back to the Clifton House Hotel.<br />
<br />
Mary Lincoln and Tad, then 15 years old, took a trip to Europe departing Baltimore aboard the steamer "City of Baltimore" on October 1, 1868. The ship arrived at Southampton, England on October 15th. Two weeks later Mary and Tad arrived in Bremen, Germany, and from there they traveled to Frankfurt. Mother and son lived in the Hotel d'Angleterre (five-star accommodations) which was located in the center of the town.<br />
<br />
Institute. For a time Mary moved to Nice, but she returned to Frankfurt. This time she avoided the expensive Hotel d'Angleterre and stayed in the more modest Hotel de Holland and was more frugal in her spending habits.<br />
<br />
In the summer of 1869, Mary and Tad spent seven weeks touring Scotland during Tad's vacation from Dr. Hohagen's school. They traveled from one end of Scotland to the other, exploring Edinburgh, Glasgow, and the Highlands near Balmoral.<br />
<br />
They returned to the United States in May of 1871. The return trip, from Liverpool to New York, was made aboard the "Russia," which held the transatlantic record of 8 days and 25 minutes for the Liverpool to New York run, but Mary's trip took a couple of days longer because of poor weather.<br />
<br />
On May 11th Mary and Tad arrived in port, and on May 15th they left for Chicago. It seems Tad had caught a cold during the ocean voyage and was not well when he arrived in Chicago. By late May Tad developed difficulty in breathing when lying down and had to sleep sitting up in a chair. By early June he was dangerously ill. He then rallied for a short time. As July approached he weakened again. Tad's pain and agony worsened as his face grew thinner. On Saturday morning, July 15, 1871, Tad passed away at the age of 18. The cause of death was most likely tuberculosis. <br />
<br />
Tad's death occurred in the Clifton House Hotel in Chicago. Thomas Lincoln was buried at the Lincoln Monument in Oak Ridge Cemetery at 1500 Monument Avenue in Springfield, Illinois.<br />
<br />
Mary was staying at Robert's house on Wabash Avenue after Tad's death when on October 8, 1871, the Great Chicago Fire started behind the O'Leary house at 137 DeKoven Street (today's address is 558 West DeKoven Street) in their barn. Believe it or not, the O'Leary house escaped the fire, untouched, and below is the photograph to prove it.</span>[/font]</span><br />
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<div style="text-align: center;"><img src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KxlovoEZhNA/WG7SwEb3w-I/AAAAAAAAMg0/lt4XMv8wausxK1HuJXf-YQiSHZbIPIK_wCLcB/s1600/OLeary_House_After_the_Fire.jpg" border="0" alt="[Image: OLeary_House_After_the_Fire.jpg]" /><br />
<span style="color: #FF0000;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Southeastern view of the O'Leary house. In the center of the block stands a small one-story tenement. On every side are ashes and cinders. Not a house or shed remains west, south or north of it, and a half a dozen ash piles tell the passer-by where houses on the east of the solitary shanty stood. It is a past explanation that all the rest burnt and that's all that remained.</span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Robert's house was just one block south and two blocks east of the burnt area. Robert and Mary were home when the fire started. Robert quickly ran out to try to get to his law office located at 154 Lake Street in the Marine Bank Building on the northeast corner of Lake and LaSalle, to save what he could. But when he managed to get there, the building was already burnt to the ground. Lost forever was some of his father's letters and other keepsakes.<br />
<br />
Because of the thick, choking smoke, neighbors panicked and rushed to Lake Michigan, a couple of blocks to the east, to avoid the thick, choking smoke. It's unclear if Mary stayed in Robert's house or if she went with neighbors to the lakefront. Both Mary and Robert survived as did Robert's house, unscathed.<br />
<br />
In 1874 Mary was living at the new Grand Central Hotel on LaSalle, Street. On April 6, 1874, she sold her old house on Washington Street.<br />
<br />
Just 10 years after Lincoln's assassination, his widow, Mary, was charged with insanity and put on trial in Chicago. The accuser was her only surviving son, Robert Lincoln. The trial was held on May 19, 1875, and she had received no prior warning or chance to organize a defense. The jury deliberated for only 10 minutes, then she was institutionalized at Bellevue Place Asylum in Batavia, Illinois. Mary was released in less than 4 months but mother and son never reconciled.</span></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="color: #FF0000;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Mary Todd and Robert Lincoln - In the Midst of the Great Chicago Fire, 1871.</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">After John Wilkes Booth shot President Lincoln on April 14, 1865, at Ford's Theatre in Washington, D.C., and his passing on Saturday, April 15, 1865, Mary Lincoln departed Washington by train to Chicago with her son Thomas 'Tad.' They moved into the Tremont House [Hotel]. <br />
<br />
Later, Mary, Robert, and Tad moved into the Hyde Park Hotel. Robert Todd Lincoln moved into his own residence by the end of 1865 at 653 South Wabash Avenue (today's address on the 1200 block of South Wabash Avenue), Chicago.<br />
<br />
In 1866 Mary purchased a home for &#36;17,000 (&#36;300,700 today) at 375 West Washington Boulevard (today's address is 1238 West Washington Boulevard) in Chicago, located between Willard Court (Ann Street) and Elizabeth Street.<br />
<br />
In May of 1867, Mary rented out her house and they moved into the Clifton House Hotel at the southeast corner of Wabash and Madison. <br />
<br />
Later that year, they moved back to her old neighborhood and lived at 460 West Washington (today's address is 1407 West Washington Boulevard), across the street from Union Park at Ogden Avenue. <br />
<br />
Again in 1868, Mary and Tad moved back to the Clifton House Hotel.<br />
<br />
Mary Lincoln and Tad, then 15 years old, took a trip to Europe departing Baltimore aboard the steamer "City of Baltimore" on October 1, 1868. The ship arrived at Southampton, England on October 15th. Two weeks later Mary and Tad arrived in Bremen, Germany, and from there they traveled to Frankfurt. Mother and son lived in the Hotel d'Angleterre (five-star accommodations) which was located in the center of the town.<br />
<br />
Institute. For a time Mary moved to Nice, but she returned to Frankfurt. This time she avoided the expensive Hotel d'Angleterre and stayed in the more modest Hotel de Holland and was more frugal in her spending habits.<br />
<br />
In the summer of 1869, Mary and Tad spent seven weeks touring Scotland during Tad's vacation from Dr. Hohagen's school. They traveled from one end of Scotland to the other, exploring Edinburgh, Glasgow, and the Highlands near Balmoral.<br />
<br />
They returned to the United States in May of 1871. The return trip, from Liverpool to New York, was made aboard the "Russia," which held the transatlantic record of 8 days and 25 minutes for the Liverpool to New York run, but Mary's trip took a couple of days longer because of poor weather.<br />
<br />
On May 11th Mary and Tad arrived in port, and on May 15th they left for Chicago. It seems Tad had caught a cold during the ocean voyage and was not well when he arrived in Chicago. By late May Tad developed difficulty in breathing when lying down and had to sleep sitting up in a chair. By early June he was dangerously ill. He then rallied for a short time. As July approached he weakened again. Tad's pain and agony worsened as his face grew thinner. On Saturday morning, July 15, 1871, Tad passed away at the age of 18. The cause of death was most likely tuberculosis. <br />
<br />
Tad's death occurred in the Clifton House Hotel in Chicago. Thomas Lincoln was buried at the Lincoln Monument in Oak Ridge Cemetery at 1500 Monument Avenue in Springfield, Illinois.<br />
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Mary was staying at Robert's house on Wabash Avenue after Tad's death when on October 8, 1871, the Great Chicago Fire started behind the O'Leary house at 137 DeKoven Street (today's address is 558 West DeKoven Street) in their barn. Believe it or not, the O'Leary house escaped the fire, untouched, and below is the photograph to prove it.</span>[/font]</span><br />
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<div style="text-align: center;"><img src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KxlovoEZhNA/WG7SwEb3w-I/AAAAAAAAMg0/lt4XMv8wausxK1HuJXf-YQiSHZbIPIK_wCLcB/s1600/OLeary_House_After_the_Fire.jpg" border="0" alt="[Image: OLeary_House_After_the_Fire.jpg]" /><br />
<span style="color: #FF0000;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Southeastern view of the O'Leary house. In the center of the block stands a small one-story tenement. On every side are ashes and cinders. Not a house or shed remains west, south or north of it, and a half a dozen ash piles tell the passer-by where houses on the east of the solitary shanty stood. It is a past explanation that all the rest burnt and that's all that remained.</span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Robert's house was just one block south and two blocks east of the burnt area. Robert and Mary were home when the fire started. Robert quickly ran out to try to get to his law office located at 154 Lake Street in the Marine Bank Building on the northeast corner of Lake and LaSalle, to save what he could. But when he managed to get there, the building was already burnt to the ground. Lost forever was some of his father's letters and other keepsakes.<br />
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Because of the thick, choking smoke, neighbors panicked and rushed to Lake Michigan, a couple of blocks to the east, to avoid the thick, choking smoke. It's unclear if Mary stayed in Robert's house or if she went with neighbors to the lakefront. Both Mary and Robert survived as did Robert's house, unscathed.<br />
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In 1874 Mary was living at the new Grand Central Hotel on LaSalle, Street. On April 6, 1874, she sold her old house on Washington Street.<br />
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Just 10 years after Lincoln's assassination, his widow, Mary, was charged with insanity and put on trial in Chicago. The accuser was her only surviving son, Robert Lincoln. The trial was held on May 19, 1875, and she had received no prior warning or chance to organize a defense. The jury deliberated for only 10 minutes, then she was institutionalized at Bellevue Place Asylum in Batavia, Illinois. Mary was released in less than 4 months but mother and son never reconciled.</span></span>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Frances Todd Wallace]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2020 01:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Once in a blue moon, I try to post something on my website. Thought you might enjoy this post about Frances Todd Wallace:<br />
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<a href="https://www.susanhigginbotham.com/posts/the-sister-who-dated-lincoln-first-frances-todd-wallace/" target="_blank">https://www.susanhigginbotham.com/posts/...d-wallace/</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Once in a blue moon, I try to post something on my website. Thought you might enjoy this post about Frances Todd Wallace:<br />
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<a href="https://www.susanhigginbotham.com/posts/the-sister-who-dated-lincoln-first-frances-todd-wallace/" target="_blank">https://www.susanhigginbotham.com/posts/...d-wallace/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Eddy Lincoln photo]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2020 04:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Other than the fact that the side of the daguerreotype case says "Edward Lincoln" written in an unknown hand, can someone explain why this photo is thought to be Eddy Lincoln?<br />
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I often seen it labeled as Eddy, but I have yet to find any research or evidence to support the theory.<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Other than the fact that the side of the daguerreotype case says "Edward Lincoln" written in an unknown hand, can someone explain why this photo is thought to be Eddy Lincoln?<br />
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I often seen it labeled as Eddy, but I have yet to find any research or evidence to support the theory.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Blog Posts about Mary Lincoln]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4292.html</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2020 16:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hello,<br />
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I haven't posted in a while, but I've been slowly organizing my Mary Lincoln research. I recently created a <a href="https://kerryellard.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">blog</a>, where I posted a two-part article I wrote for the Manuscripts Society's quarterly journal, which isn't available online. It digs into, among other things, the Henry Wikoff issue, which I believe has been totally misrepresented. A lot of this stuff is too detailed to appeal to anyone but those *really* into Mary Lincoln, and this is one of the best places to find them! If you have any interest, please check it out. <br />
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Thank you,<br />
Kerry]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hello,<br />
<br />
I haven't posted in a while, but I've been slowly organizing my Mary Lincoln research. I recently created a <a href="https://kerryellard.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">blog</a>, where I posted a two-part article I wrote for the Manuscripts Society's quarterly journal, which isn't available online. It digs into, among other things, the Henry Wikoff issue, which I believe has been totally misrepresented. A lot of this stuff is too detailed to appeal to anyone but those *really* into Mary Lincoln, and this is one of the best places to find them! If you have any interest, please check it out. <br />
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Thank you,<br />
Kerry]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Tad photo?]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4269.html</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 01:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Heritage Auctions is having an Americana &amp; Political auction Feb.22-23, 2020<br />
<a href="https://www.ha.com/heritage-auctions-schedule.s?category=americana-and-political" target="_blank">https://www.ha.com/heritage-auctions-sch...-political</a><br />
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One of the items is a tintype of Tad Lincoln.  I don't think it's Tad. What do you think?  Click here to see photo.<br />
<a href="https://historical.ha.com/itm/political/thomas-tad-lincoln-civil-war-period-ninth-plate-tintype-portrait/p/6215-61002.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515" target="_blank">https://historical.ha.com/itm/political/...ion-071515</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Heritage Auctions is having an Americana &amp; Political auction Feb.22-23, 2020<br />
<a href="https://www.ha.com/heritage-auctions-schedule.s?category=americana-and-political" target="_blank">https://www.ha.com/heritage-auctions-sch...-political</a><br />
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One of the items is a tintype of Tad Lincoln.  I don't think it's Tad. What do you think?  Click here to see photo.<br />
<a href="https://historical.ha.com/itm/political/thomas-tad-lincoln-civil-war-period-ninth-plate-tintype-portrait/p/6215-61002.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515" target="_blank">https://historical.ha.com/itm/political/...ion-071515</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Mary Lincoln - resident of Poe, OH?!]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4262.html</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 01:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Was re-reading the Lincoln section of Thomas Pendel's <span style="font-style: italic;">Thirty-six  Years in the White House</span>. Following is the last paragraph of the chapter:<br />
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“Some years after, during the Hayes administration, a Mrs. Rathbone called on the President and his family. I met her as she was leaving, and found out that she was the Miss Harris who was in the box with Mr. Lincoln the night he was assassinated. She had just returned from Ohio, and said that Mrs. Lincoln was living there in a town called Poe. She stated that Mrs. Lincoln requested her to inquire how many of the old employees were still in the White House. It touched me much to think that Mrs. Lincoln did not forget her old employees. I never saw Mrs. Rathbone after this.”<br />
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There is a small town in Ohio named Poe, but I have never heard of Mrs. Lincoln living there and am not sure why she would be. Has anyone else heard of this?<br />
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I am inclined to believe that Mr. Pendel somehow got his recollections mixed together - with Mrs. Rathbone coming from Ohio and Mrs. Lincoln living in Pau (not Poe) France.<br />
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I’m interested to hear the thoughts of others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Was re-reading the Lincoln section of Thomas Pendel's <span style="font-style: italic;">Thirty-six  Years in the White House</span>. Following is the last paragraph of the chapter:<br />
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“Some years after, during the Hayes administration, a Mrs. Rathbone called on the President and his family. I met her as she was leaving, and found out that she was the Miss Harris who was in the box with Mr. Lincoln the night he was assassinated. She had just returned from Ohio, and said that Mrs. Lincoln was living there in a town called Poe. She stated that Mrs. Lincoln requested her to inquire how many of the old employees were still in the White House. It touched me much to think that Mrs. Lincoln did not forget her old employees. I never saw Mrs. Rathbone after this.”<br />
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There is a small town in Ohio named Poe, but I have never heard of Mrs. Lincoln living there and am not sure why she would be. Has anyone else heard of this?<br />
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I am inclined to believe that Mr. Pendel somehow got his recollections mixed together - with Mrs. Rathbone coming from Ohio and Mrs. Lincoln living in Pau (not Poe) France.<br />
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I’m interested to hear the thoughts of others.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Are those stories about Mary abusive to Abraham overstated???]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I read excerpts of Burlingame's books. Apparently he followed first insinuations first spreaded by Herndon.<br />
Don't you believe it might be overstated?<br />
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For me, if any of domestic abuse (apparently a few times physical and more on the emotional level) from Mary towards Abraham, it might well have to be attached with her vulnerable mental condition (angst, depression..)<br />
Because true, plainly willing-to-hurt abusive husbands/wives do it behind closed doors. They hide their violence in public and play the "perfect couple" cards among friends, family, and colleagues. It's always the same scheme with willing abusers who want to dominate and destroy. If as alleged, Mary did really striked Abe with objects in the presence of guests and such, I'll bet more to put the blame on her mental state than portraying her as the "evil in dress" she's been so much called on too. That said, we'll never know what happened, and I'm not an apologist of any domestic violence. But in her case, there's some ground of "minoring circumstances". Anyway, it ever happened, it's certainly it would have been a source of emotional pain for everyone. <br />
Yes adding to Herndon there were statements from the Springfield neighborhood. But again, those people recalled "hysteria episodes" from Mary. So I do believe, even at the time, where psychology was basically an unexplored world, people felt it was "special case".<br />
How do you feel about it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I read excerpts of Burlingame's books. Apparently he followed first insinuations first spreaded by Herndon.<br />
Don't you believe it might be overstated?<br />
<br />
For me, if any of domestic abuse (apparently a few times physical and more on the emotional level) from Mary towards Abraham, it might well have to be attached with her vulnerable mental condition (angst, depression..)<br />
Because true, plainly willing-to-hurt abusive husbands/wives do it behind closed doors. They hide their violence in public and play the "perfect couple" cards among friends, family, and colleagues. It's always the same scheme with willing abusers who want to dominate and destroy. If as alleged, Mary did really striked Abe with objects in the presence of guests and such, I'll bet more to put the blame on her mental state than portraying her as the "evil in dress" she's been so much called on too. That said, we'll never know what happened, and I'm not an apologist of any domestic violence. But in her case, there's some ground of "minoring circumstances". Anyway, it ever happened, it's certainly it would have been a source of emotional pain for everyone. <br />
Yes adding to Herndon there were statements from the Springfield neighborhood. But again, those people recalled "hysteria episodes" from Mary. So I do believe, even at the time, where psychology was basically an unexplored world, people felt it was "special case".<br />
How do you feel about it?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA["mtl" interview]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4239.html</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[today the presidential museum had an "interview" with MTL. thought you might like to see it.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Lincoln.Museum/videos/2522767574665461/" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Lincoln.Museum/...574665461/</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[today the presidential museum had an "interview" with MTL. thought you might like to see it.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/Lincoln.Museum/videos/2522767574665461/" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Lincoln.Museum/...574665461/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Tad's Children Protégés.]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4222.html</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I'm currently reading the book "Lincoln's White House" depicting the every day's life at the Executive Mansion during the Presidency.<br />
There are great lesser known stories to discover in this jewel too. <br />
Among them, a lovely depictation of Tad. As we know he was the little serial prankster but a kind of little Robin Hood of its own. He managed his little "corruption" by charging office seekers to climb the stairs to the second floor. But he also invited destitute little ones to play with him as well as with the colored servants kids on the lawn. Once he took hungry street kids into the kitchen to be fed. The stewards were upset saying the WH wasn't a charitable institution so he went as often to complain to his dad who gave him right saying "The kitchen is ours". He also invited a disabled kid named Tommy at the Easter roll.<br />
As Willie was his father's intellectual counterpart, Tad had inherited his compassion for sure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm currently reading the book "Lincoln's White House" depicting the every day's life at the Executive Mansion during the Presidency.<br />
There are great lesser known stories to discover in this jewel too. <br />
Among them, a lovely depictation of Tad. As we know he was the little serial prankster but a kind of little Robin Hood of its own. He managed his little "corruption" by charging office seekers to climb the stairs to the second floor. But he also invited destitute little ones to play with him as well as with the colored servants kids on the lawn. Once he took hungry street kids into the kitchen to be fed. The stewards were upset saying the WH wasn't a charitable institution so he went as often to complain to his dad who gave him right saying "The kitchen is ours". He also invited a disabled kid named Tommy at the Easter roll.<br />
As Willie was his father's intellectual counterpart, Tad had inherited his compassion for sure.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Mary's European Travels]]></title>
			<link>https://rogerjnorton.com/LincolnDiscussionSymposium/thread-4023.html</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2019 13:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have been skimming "Mary Lincoln for the Ages," Jason Emerson's analytical bibliography concerning Mary Lincoln, in which he notes the lack of a detailed account of Mary's travels in Europe. I felt that particularly yesterday when I was wondering whether she visited Notre Dame. One of the Lincoln sites I follow on Facebook stated that there is no account of her having done so, although it seems unlikely she would have missed the opportunity. <br />
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Is anyone here aware of a European itinerary for Mary?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I have been skimming "Mary Lincoln for the Ages," Jason Emerson's analytical bibliography concerning Mary Lincoln, in which he notes the lack of a detailed account of Mary's travels in Europe. I felt that particularly yesterday when I was wondering whether she visited Notre Dame. One of the Lincoln sites I follow on Facebook stated that there is no account of her having done so, although it seems unlikely she would have missed the opportunity. <br />
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Is anyone here aware of a European itinerary for Mary?]]></content:encoded>
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