Seed Pearl Necklace and Bracelets

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(06-05-2019 03:26 PM)James Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 09:54 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 12:04 AM)James Wrote:  Provenance has absolutely nothing to do with authenticity when a photograph is the subject of scrutiny.

I believe this is the first time in my life that I have read someone say this. I have always read that when it comes to historical items, including pieces of art and photographs, verified provenance goes a long way to proving the authenticity of a piece and greatly increasing its value.

Roger - regarding historical items and artifacts including pieces of art, verified provenance does indeed play a pivotal in determining authenticity. In a lot of those instances however, provenance is more instrumental in determining value (i.e. prior ownership by a famous individual) than establishing authenticity.
Based on the vehement and unequivocal denunciation of the authentic nature of the dag, should the members of this forum who have weighed in on the image then be willing to do a one-eighty simply by tracing ownership of the dag to the immediate families of either of the Lincolns, then there is something inherently wrong with the entire process.

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Laurie - you said ... "I suspect that the scar is non-existent or not important to Mary's life" ... as a means of explanation as to why it has never been documented in biographical or historical materials. Would you be willing to apply that same logic to Abe? His "compromised" right side, outside of a couple of colorful descriptions that don't mention this condition specifically yet is clearly evident by studying his photographic record, has not been documented in biographical materials.

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Abraham Lincoln was born February 12, 1809. He would have been 52 years old at the time of this sitting.
Mary Todd Lincoln was born December 13, 1818. She would have been 42 years old at the time of this sitting.

Again, I don't think you can give me decent documented material on these supposed "deformities" or whatever you wish to call them. Since Lincoln is one of the most researched and written about figures in history, there should surely be a good number of legitimate scholars who would have noticed this and would have written about it in more than one place. What is the name of this person(s) that you cite, and where can we find this description? It is going to take way more than your claims - and other researchers of questionable reliability - to make me knuckle under.

I believe that I guessed at this couple's ages as at least mid-50s. The man is holding his age better than the woman, imo. The whole point of this never-ending debate, however, is that this man and this woman just do not look anything like the real Lincolns! What part of this are we missing?

P.S. What about my assertion in a previous post that the man's hand and cane and bright watch chain are not in the original? That hand, especially, just hops off the screen and screams, "Fake."