Is This Abraham Lincoln?

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(06-23-2017 09:19 AM)L Verge Wrote:  "it was henry p. Cattell dr. brown's brother's stepsonwhom dr brown trained"

Marsha, I'm a little unclear. In the above, from your last postings, are you referring to Cattell having made a written report? If so, have you seen it?

The reason I ask is that I have seen the description of how the embalming was done quite a few times, and they all (even what Kees quoted several years ago) seem more like a general description of how embalming was performed in those days. Even the description of trimming the beard, slight smile, etc. is just something that someone observing Lincoln's body would make note of. And, I have to agree with the others that the white hair and beard in this photo is very suspicious -- and, of course, I really don't think that a marble bust of Lincoln with painted hair and beard was ever inserted into the one known photo of the deceased President.

I would like to know if there really was an official written report prepared by Brown and Cattell for any official government records; and, if so, does it still exist and have you seen it. Is the description that we are reading here something written by either of the gentlemen (or an observer) and later published in a journal or magazine or memoir? A good historian goes for primary source materials first in order to support/deny claims.
Other than visual surmising and suggested possibilities, do you have any documentation? Is there a photographer's mark on the reverse of the photo? If so, we can trace it for location of that business in 1865.

Since I am joining the ranks of your "bullies" in disagreeing with you, I would like an official report to be made available - if it ever existed - just to prove whether or not the embalmers could have possibly been so bold (and so daring) as to attempt to take a standing post mortem photo of Mr. Lincoln. Since Edwin Stanton wanted no photos taken of the dead Lincoln, they would have been facing a terrible backlash. I don't think even the bravest photographer of the day would have attempted to enter the White House with equipment to take that picture.

THE DESCRIPTION OF HENRY P CATTELLS EMBALMING PROCEDURE CONCERNING ABE LINCOLN IS NOT A GENERAL ONE BUT , THE EXACT ONE DONE ON ABE LINCOLN , CLOSING THE CRANIAM, THEY DURING AUTOPHSY SLICED HIS SCALP FROM THE NAPE TO THE CROWN TO EXPOSE THE SKULL THEN CUT OFF THE TOP OF THE SkULL TO EXPOSE THE BRAIN THAT WAS REMOVED WASHED AND WEIGHED , SO HENRY CLOSED THE SCALP, LINCOLN , PSITIONED THE BODY , LINCOLN, SET A SLIGHT SMILE LINCOLN , SHAVED HIM BUT FOR A TUFT ON HIS CHIN , LINCOLN
.NO ONE SAID WHO TOOK THE PHOTO OR WHEN . MY POINT IS THAT THE ALLEGED DEATH PHOTO IS SUSPECT FOR SEVERAL REASONS . 1. NO APPARENT DAMAGE TO ABES HEAD , 2. NO SLIGHT SMILE ,3. MORE BEARD THAN JUST A TUFT ON HIS CHIN,5. HE LOOKS TO0 YOUNG .6. BY THE TIME HE ARRIVED IN NYC THE UNDERTAKERS HAD CHALKED HIS FEATURES AS THEY HAD TURNED BLACK.7. ITS A BUST OF THE 1861 LIFE MASK .8. HIS EYE BROWS WERE GONE IN 1901 .
FUTHERMORE I CAN BE QUITE THE BULLY MYSELF SO WATCH YOUR TONE . RON RIVEHALD WAS INVITED TO VISIT DR PRATT AND Marion his second wife. dr pratt lead ron to the file containing the photo in the building he worked , let ronny find the photo gave ronny credit for the find and after the des moines newpaper ran the story life mag. ran a story by that time marion who had just edited a Lincoln book, had given the platinum print pratt had made of said photo to photo jopurnalist stefan lorant to use in his book Lincoln's life in photos 1952. nice. the photo had been hidden 87 years so the chain of custody was broken , the prominence is questionable as pratt didn't catalogue or inventory receiving it from hays daughter sloppy work right and in 1952 who would leave a 14 year old with un inventoried posibally valuable important rare American historical documents . no one !. the envelope was marked x-14, dah. I have the only death photo of abe Lincoln my brilliant find.
I am weary of historians that are also authors and or collectors.$$$$
I merely wanted to share my Lincoln photo with this group but I already knew ron r. was a member who brings attention to this sight ie relevancy so you talk down to me and shame my photo .
you would think this tired Lincoln discussion would welcome any new Lincoln material to discuss , old dogs need a new trick . bla bla bla
I had this cdv for 10 years never once tried to sell it never will .but I'm going to share it with the world and you wll be credited with not recoginizing . experts get over yourselves.photos are self proving.