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Mr. Lee
04-18-2014, 05:47 PM
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(04-18-2014 04:30 PM)J. Beckert Wrote:  Lee did an honorable (and illegal at the time) thing by making sure his slaves had at least a rudimentary form of education before he freed them. I think that is most benevolent as compared to Lincoln's two choices - colonization or the "root hog or die" plan.

Joe, Lincoln was talking about both Southern blacks and whites.

"'Root, hog, or die' is a common American catch-phrase dating from well before 1834.[1] Coming from the early colonial practice of turning pigs loose in the woods to fend for themselves, the term is an idiomatic expression for self-reliance."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_hog,_or_die

Francis Carpenter wrote in Six Months at the White House,

"The famous "peace" conference, on board the River Queen, in Hampton Roads, between President Lincoln and Secretary Seward, and the Rebel commissioners Stephens, Hunter, and Campbell, took place the 3d of February, 1865. A few days afterward I asked the President if it was true, as reported by the New York "Herald," that he told a 'little story' on that occasion? - 'Why,' said he, 'has it leaked out? I was in hopes nothing would be said about that, lest some oversensitive people should imagine there was a degree of levity in the intercourse between us.' He then went on to relate the circumstances which called it out. 'You see,' said he, 'we had reached and were discussing the slavery question. Mr. Hunter said, substantially, that the slaves, always accustomed to an overseer, and to work upon compulsion, and suddenly freed, as they would be if the South should consent to peace on the basis of the 'Emancipation Proclamation,' would precipitate not only themselves but the entire Southern society into irremediable ruin. No work would be done, nothing would be cultivated, and both black and whites would starve!' Said the President, 'I waited for Seward to answer that argument, but as he was silent, I at length said: 'Mr. Hunter, you ought to know a great deal better about this matter than I, for you have always lived under the slave system. I can only say, in reply to your statement of the case, that it reminds me of a man out in Illinois by the name of Case, who undertook, a few years ago, to raise a very large herd of hogs. At length he hit on the plan of planting an immense field of potatoes, and, when they were sufficiently grown, he turned the whole herd into the field, and let them have full swing, thus saving not only the labor of feeding the hogs, but also that of digging the potatoes. Charmed with his sagacity, he stood one day leaning against the fence, counting his hogs, when a neighbor came along. 'Well, well,' said he. 'Mr. Case, this is all very fine. Your hogs are doing very well just now, but you know out here in Illinois the frost comes early, and the ground freezes a foot deep. Then what are they going to do?' This was a view of the matter Mr. Case had not taken into account. Butchering-time for hogs was 'way on in December or January. He scratched his head, and at length stammered, 'Well, it may come pretty hard on their snouts, but I don't see that it will be, 'root, hog, or die!'"
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Mr. Lee - L Verge - 04-18-2014, 09:25 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - Craig Hipkins - 04-18-2014, 09:51 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - J. Beckert - 04-18-2014, 11:18 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - L Verge - 04-18-2014, 12:17 PM
RE: Mr. Lee - Rick Smith - 04-18-2014, 03:32 PM
RE: Mr. Lee - Gene C - 04-18-2014, 04:14 PM
RE: Mr. Lee - J. Beckert - 04-18-2014, 04:30 PM
RE: Mr. Lee - Linda Anderson - 04-18-2014 05:47 PM
RE: Mr. Lee - LincolnToddFan - 04-22-2014, 12:10 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - J. Beckert - 04-18-2014, 08:12 PM
RE: Mr. Lee - Linda Anderson - 04-18-2014, 08:50 PM
RE: Mr. Lee - J. Beckert - 04-18-2014, 09:54 PM
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RE: Mr. Lee - J. Beckert - 04-18-2014, 10:47 PM
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RE: Mr. Lee - My Name Is Kate - 04-21-2014, 02:56 AM
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RE: Mr. Lee - Liz Rosenthal - 04-22-2014, 10:49 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - J. Beckert - 04-18-2014, 11:30 PM
RE: Mr. Lee - Linda Anderson - 04-19-2014, 12:02 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - J. Beckert - 04-19-2014, 01:37 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - Wild Bill - 04-19-2014, 10:34 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - Rick Smith - 04-19-2014, 11:34 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - L Verge - 04-19-2014, 11:42 AM
RE: Mr. Lee - JMadonna - 04-19-2014, 02:49 PM
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