RE: Thomas F. Harney
(06-30-2015 08:20 AM)JMadonna Wrote: (06-20-2015 10:28 PM)SSlater Wrote: (06-15-2015 09:38 PM)JMadonna Wrote: (06-12-2015 10:40 PM)SSlater Wrote: JMADONNA - Yes, I've seen Jane Singer's book that includes Harney - Good Job, eh wat! but I can't find Harney in "Find a Grave". Where did he go after Elmira? (I'm guessing that he went to Canada with the Fenians.) I did find a Thomas F. Harney who married in Canada and returned to the US with a gang of kids - but I can't prove that he is "our" Harney. As for the "torpedo plot", I lay claim to finding Snyder. I brought him to the attention of James O. Hall and he finished the story for us. That's when I learned that you don't have anything - until you have it all. I really enjoy digging out the facts.
Did you ever find Snyder's statement?
No. I felt that the many descriptions of his statement and his efforts to be heard, were enough, for the time being. This wasn't a good idea because his recorded words could tell us more. However I was fully occupied with my other research. I can't find enough "to prove Harney, really existed." We are still accepting information on Harney that is always a little bit off. ( I made an error, I think, when I said that he never "Disserted. Now, I can show you where he did dessert and also where he didn't dessert.) Yipes!
Another misinformation, widely believed, is that Harney was carrying explosives. I now read that he had fuses and timers, "that he was delivering to Mosby" and expected to pick up the explosives Washington. Who was that? Any ideas? Harney was a slick one.
For example: Thomas Harney, who disserted from the U. S. Army, joined the Army in 1859, and disserted in Nov. 1861. How could he be living in New Orleans in 1860? Maybe that can be "explained", but I can't accept the info, until know. Oh Me! back to work.
I believe the Harney mission and Stringfellow missions were linked. Stringfellow's orders came straight from Davis and he was arrested with a map of Washington's defenses. I postulated that his failure to get the info to Harney led to his capture.
JMADONNA. Thanx for y0ur ideas on Harney. I don't know if Stringfellow and Harney were linked. It does seem logical, but I have never seen them mentioned in the same message, unless, Stringfellow was a member of the "Washington Action Team". I don't know who else was involved in that. I doubt that any of Booth's followers were in it. They were the Team that would provide the Powder. I've read that Harney's and Summers' cover story was to say that "they were delivering the Fuses, etc. Mosby. Nothing that I have read (and I still have a long way to go,) mentions "Fuses and Timers".
Did he really deliver them to Mosby? Did he have them at Burke Station? Did he dump them in the weeds, before capture? IMO, if he had the fuses etc. his arrest would not have been so casual.
I don't see how anything Stringfellow did influenced Harney's capture. I understand that Harney's arrest was an accidental meeting, of the two Cavalry Units. Harney's "Mission", if there was one, and the news of his capture, does not appear to have been wide spread NEWS. He was put in Old Capitol Prison, and then sent to Elmira, to be released on 5 July, WHEN THE PRISON CLOSED. (And taking the Oath.)
Please tell me more about your ideas on the possible connection of Harney and Stringfellow. I wrote a story on Stringfellows, a long time ago, I'll dig it out - to show Stringfellow's activity and the dates involved. Did you know that Stringfellow and Booth crossed the Potomac an the same night, with Thomas Jones help? JOHN
PS. am working with Jane Singer on this. She is a bit under the weather right now, Send her a GET WELL at janebsinger@verizon.net
(06-30-2015 05:39 PM)SSlater Wrote: (06-30-2015 08:20 AM)JMadonna Wrote: (06-20-2015 10:28 PM)SSlater Wrote: (06-15-2015 09:38 PM)JMadonna Wrote: (06-12-2015 10:40 PM)SSlater Wrote: JMADONNA - Yes, I've seen Jane Singer's book that includes Harney - Good Job, eh wat! but I can't find Harney in "Find a Grave". Where did he go after Elmira? (I'm guessing that he went to Canada with the Fenians.) I did find a Thomas F. Harney who married in Canada and returned to the US with a gang of kids - but I can't prove that he is "our" Harney. As for the "torpedo plot", I lay claim to finding Snyder. I brought him to the attention of James O. Hall and he finished the story for us. That's when I learned that you don't have anything - until you have it all. I really enjoy digging out the facts.
Did you ever find Snyder's statement?
No. I felt that the many descriptions of his statement and his efforts to be heard, were enough, for the time being. This wasn't a good idea because his recorded words could tell us more. However I was fully occupied with my other research. I can't find enough "to prove Harney, really existed." We are still accepting information on Harney that is always a little bit off. ( I made an error, I think, when I said that he never "Disserted. Now, I can show you where he did dessert and also where he didn't dessert.) Yipes!
Another misinformation, widely believed, is that Harney was carrying explosives. I now read that he had fuses and timers, "that he was delivering to Mosby" and expected to pick up the explosives Washington. Who was that? Any ideas? Harney was a slick one.
For example: Thomas Harney, who disserted from the U. S. Army, joined the Army in 1859, and disserted in Nov. 1861. How could he be living in New Orleans in 1860? Maybe that can be "explained", but I can't accept the info, until know. Oh Me! back to work.
I believe the Harney mission and Stringfellow missions were linked. Stringfellow's orders came straight from Davis and he was arrested with a map of Washington's defenses. I postulated that his failure to get the info to Harney led to his capture.
JMADONNA. Thanx for y0ur ideas on Harney. I don't know if Stringfellow and Harney were linked. It does seem logical, but I have never seen them mentioned in the same message, unless, Stringfellow was a member of the "Washington Action Team". I don't know who else was involved in that. I doubt that any of Booth's followers were in it. They were the Team that would provide the Powder. I've read that Harney's and Summers' cover story was to say that "they were delivering the Fuses, etc. Mosby. Nothing that I have read (and I still have a long way to go,) mentions "Fuses and Timers".
Did he really deliver them to Mosby? Did he have them at Burke Station? Did he dump them in the weeds, before capture? IMO, if he had the fuses etc. his arrest would not have been so casual.
I don't see how anything Stringfellow did influenced Harney's capture. I understand that Harney's arrest was an accidental meeting, of the two Cavalry Units. Harney's "Mission", if there was one, and the news of his capture, does not appear to have been wide spread NEWS. He was put in Old Capitol Prison, and then sent to Elmira, to be released on 5 July, WHEN THE PRISON CLOSED. (And taking the Oath.)
Please tell me more about your ideas on the possible connection of Harney and Stringfellow. I wrote a story on Stringfellows, a long time ago, I'll dig it out - to show Stringfellow's activity and the dates involved. Did you know that Stringfellow and Booth crossed the Potomac an the same night, with Thomas Jones help? JOHN
PS. am working with Jane Singer on this. She is a bit under the weather right now, Send her a GET WELL at janebsinger@verizon.net
PS Ripley wrote a book in 1907 (+/-) and covered this event. He may have kept Snyder's statement. Book was "The Capture and Occupation of Richmond, April 3, 1865". There are no records of the statement on file.. There are no Records of the Torpedo Bureau. JOHN
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