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(06-25-2021 09:34 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  
(06-25-2021 09:10 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  Does anyone know whether any of the doctors attending Lincoln may have accidentally cut themselves during the process? I ask because there is evidence of blood on Lincoln's sheet that wasn't his.

Steve, I knew about blood on the pillow slip(s), but blood on the sheet was new to me. How is it known that the blood on the sheet was not Lincoln's? Do you know where you read this? Many thanks.

Roger,

There was an mtdna study done by Colleen Fitzpatrick for two supposed pieces of sheet claiming provenance to that which Lincoln lay on. The haplogroup came back as "N" in both instances. Had it been Lincoln's blood it should be haplogroup X1c. I don't know whether they put fresh sheets on the bed during the rush of the moment, or whether someone may have inadvertently cut himself while removing Lincoln's attire, or what. At this point I'm just contemplating possibilities. There are other artifacts, and if another N shows up there perhaps a rethink is in order. Just getting ready in the meantime.

That information comes from a source I'm not at liberty to discuss for now. But I do seem to recall reading something about unexpected results in a document from one of Colleen's seminars, that wasn't as explicit.

Steve W.

(06-25-2021 10:02 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  
(06-25-2021 09:34 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  
(06-25-2021 09:10 AM)Steve Whitlock Wrote:  Does anyone know whether any of the doctors attending Lincoln may have accidentally cut themselves during the process? I ask because there is evidence of blood on Lincoln's sheet that wasn't his.

Steve, I knew about blood on the pillow slip(s), but blood on the sheet was new to me. How is it known that the blood on the sheet was not Lincoln's? Do you know where you read this? Many thanks.

Roger,

There was an mtdna study done by Colleen Fitzpatrick for two supposed pieces of sheet claiming provenance to that which Lincoln lay on. The haplogroup came back as "N" in both instances. Had it been Lincoln's blood it should be haplogroup X1c. I don't know whether they put fresh sheets on the bed during the rush of the moment, or whether someone may have inadvertently cut himself while removing Lincoln's attire, or what. At this point I'm just contemplating possibilities. There are other artifacts, and if another N shows up there perhaps a rethink is in order. Just getting ready in the meantime.

That information comes from a source I'm not at liberty to discuss for now. But I do seem to recall reading something about unexpected results in a document from one of Colleen's seminars, that wasn't as explicit.

Steve W.

Roger,

I believe the blood-stained sheets are likely part of this:

Description
A Piece of the Bloodstained Linen Sheet On Which President Lincoln Died. The sheet from Lincoln's bed was obtained at the time by Massachusetts diplomat and politician Charles K. Tuckerman (1821-1896). At some point Tuckerman cut out a bloodstained section measuring 6.5" x 8", which was subsequently divided into small pieces. The present specimen, measuring 0.5" x 1", later passed through the hands of pioneer autograph dealer Mary Benjamin, and a copy of her 1961 letter of transmittal to famed Americana dealer Norm Flayderman is included with the lot. This piece was purchased by the consignor in the December 12, 2014 Heritage auction of the Dr. Michael Stevens Collection, where it sold for $3250. The consignor has been able to match it to the precise place it can be found on the Tuckerman sheet (see photo with our website presentation of this lot).
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