Was Stanton a murder target?

[John Fazio]

(12-10-2016 02:41 PM)loetar44 Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 01:25 AM)John Fazio Wrote:  Demond's letters place Booth and Herold on the Maryland side of the Navy Yard Bridge on the night of the 13th-14th NOT ON THE NIGHT; ONLY IN THE MORNING OF THE 14TH and both were incarcerated in the Block House until noon NOT NOON; UNTIL 2:00 OR 3:00 April 14th, because they had refused to give Demond their names. Carrie Bean is the first who saw Booth appr. this time in the breakfast room of the National. She knew him and she responded to his bow of recognition. A DOPPELGANGER?

John,
In all honesty I have always had great problems with any “doppelganger-theory”.

And, I have real doubts concerning the “sighting” of Booth and Herold in the morning of April 14, 1865 at the Navy Yard (Eastern Branch) Bridge, more doubts than I have with Booth’s “sighting” in the breakfast room of the National.

This is what Lieutenant David Dana said in the Boston Daily Globe (Dec. 12, 1897, pg 36) in the article “He Almost Saved Lincoln”:

“On Friday, April 14, 1865, two men appeared before the guard on the road leading into Washington from the east. Refusing to give their names or state their business, they were arrested and put in the guard tent, whence they were to be sent to headquarters. This was about 1 o’clock in the afternoon. In a hour or two they gave their names as Booth and Harold [sic].” … “Booth and Harold [sic] were released as soon as the orders reached the guard, and they proceeded at once to Washington, reaching there about 6.30 in the afternoon. I had a guard at each end of the bridge on the eastern branch of the Potomac, and one of the guards knew Booth, and recognized him as he rode into the city, and as he came out after the assassination, and had it been known that he had killed Lincoln escape would have been impossible.”

If this statement is true, or near the truth, then Booth was back in DC at about 6.30 in the afternoon of April 14, 1865, just ca. 3½ hours before he murdered Lincoln. But Booth was seen that day (April 14) in DC a lot of times BEFORE 6.30 pm. Do we conclude here: "Was it Booth or a “doppelganger”?

Please note:
- Had O’Lauglen (twice?) a meeting with Booth in the National? Or with Booth’s doppelganger?
- Who greeted Carrie Bean in the breakfast room? A doppelganger?
- Charles Wood trimmed Booth’s hair and dressed it. Or was it a doppelganger?
- Who was in Grover’s Theatre, Booth or a doppelganger?
- Who spoke (round noon?) with John F. Coyle? A doppelganger?
- Who was in Mary Surratts pension? A doppelganger?
- Who spoke with Henry Clay Ford? A doppelganger?
- Who rented the bay mare at James W. Pumphrey? A doppelganger?
- Who visited Paine / Powell ca. 2 pm in the Herndon House? A doppelganger?
- Who was at de Kirkwood House? A doppelganger?
- Who gave John Mathews the letter for The National Intelligencer? A doppelganger?
- Who glanced unfriendly into Gen. Grant’s carriage at appr. 5 pm? A doppelganger?
- Who was in the Greenback Saloon and Taltavull's Star Saloon? A doppelganger?

OR:

were Booth (and Herold) on the Navy Yard Bridge NOT Booth (and Herold) because the men were doppelgangers?

It’s most unbelievable that the streets of DC in April 1865 were lined with (unwitting) clones!

You mentioned Capt. James William Boyd as a possible look-alike of Booth. He was certainly NOT. He had reddish hair and had freckles.

Of course some people resemble one another, but it’s absurd to use this as an argument in a believable research. The overall chance of finding someone who looks like Booth is really very small. There where someone else sees a spooky resemblance, another person certainly will not even notice a fleeting similarity. So, I don’t like such highly subjective interpretations. We are like snowflakes. No two are the same, even if at first glance they all look small, white and spiky.

Let’s not talk about “doppelgangers”. Science suggests that doppelgangers should not exist. Mathematically speaking, the number of variables in any face is so large that it would be virtually impossible to meet someone who is identical to a known person.

Why are conspiracy theories always filled with look-alikes and doppelgangers?

Kees:

Easy boy, I wasn't serious about the doppelganger; I was merely trying to highlight the flagrant inconsistency between Demond's letters (especially the one of June 12, 1916) and everything we know from other sources about the movements of Booth and Herold on April 14. Demond, and, later, as you point out, Dana, seem certain of the identity of the two men at the bridge, differing only on time of arrival and time of release. I frankly do not know how to reconcile the accounts. I doubt that anyone is intentionally lying (for what purpose?),so there must be another explanation. If you can offer one, other than the doppelganger theory, I am all ears.

John

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(12-10-2016 08:34 PM)L Verge Wrote:  Speaking of doppelgangers... I posted something last night that has not yet appeared, so maybe I forgot to hit the right button. First, I agreed with John Stanton that the Mrs. Howell mentioned in a previous post was likely Gus Howell (of trial fame!).

I then referred to insignificant research that I did years ago on the Illuminati (after reading Dan Brown's novels). On a blog entitled theforbiddenknowledge there was a reference to the Rothchilds. In that, Booth is linked to that famous family as well as Augustus Belmont (sound familiar?).

Some of the notes I jotted down referred to the B'nai B'rith organization being a pivotal player in the British Freemasonry plot to destroy our Union. Mention was made of a D.C. lawyer named Simon Wolf, a member of the D.C. Order of B'nai B'rith and a look-alike to Booth, whom he had met with in Cleveland. The site also claimed that Wolf and Booth drank together at Willard's on the morning of the assassination. Booth supposedly told Wolf that Lucy had rejected his proposal.

The blog also tied in Confederate General Albert Pike (big in Freemasonry) as a member of the Illuminati; claimed that the Knights of the Golden Circle were funded by the Scottish Rite; and that August Belmont was involved with the Confederacy, having married the daughter of John Slidell (Trent Affair).

Have fun with all that...

Laurie:

This is largely Greek to me, which is not to say that there is no merit to any of it. The only thing I can say with some degree of comfort is that August Belmont was a very wealthy and powerful Copperhead, perhaps the most prominent of the bunch, that his Fifth Avenue mansion in New York was used as a meeting place for Copperheads, that Booth is known to have attended at least one of those meetings, that if he attended one, he almost certainly attended more than one, that Arnold said that Booth often went to New York for more money, which fits with the Belmont connection, as does Atzerodt's reference to "the New York crowd", that there was a reference in Surratt's trial to meetings of conspirators in a New York mansion or mansions, and that McClellan's, Wood's and Belmont's presence in Europe at the time of the assassination is suspicious.

John