A.Johnson or J.Holt-? Who do you believe?

[RJNorton]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there were several other people in the room who later said that it was mentioned to Johnson?

My aging brain may be playing tricks with me, but I thought I read somewhere that the clemency petition had been discussed either in a Cabinet meeting or by Cabinet members. It's hard for me to believe Johnson on this.