Abrahams cussing

[My Name Is Kate]

Not sure which post(s) the above post was directed at.

I didn't think there was too much violence in the Lincoln movie at all, especially since a huge war was going on at the time.

Whether the cussing in the movie was intended to be iconoclastic or not, can only be answered by the people who made the movie. I don't know if Lincoln openly cussed alot. There seems to be some disagreement among Lincoln buffs about that. If he did, it was certainly understandable, given the circumstances. As I said, it didn't bother me much, and I only wondered after reading this thread, why the movie-makers included so much of it (most of it by people other than Lincoln).

Most people knowledgeable about Lincoln, say he would never have struck any of his sons. Yet the movie showed him doing just that, and it didn't enhance his image as an understanding father.

I have been wondering about the bedroom scene, with Lincoln apparently sharing a bed with two other men. Maybe that was commonplace in Victorian times, but the makers of the movie must have given at least a passing thought to how that scene might be interpreted by the average moviegoer who is not knowledgeable about the customs of the time.

I've also been wondering about the fight between Lincoln and Mary, where she says that Lincoln had hostile feelings toward Robert because he was conceived prior to their marriage, and may have been the reason they "had" to get married (something to that effect.) Are any of those things established facts? If there is any doubt at all about it, why was it included in the movie?

And all the political maneuvering (what little of it I managed to stay awake through), left me with the impression that there may have been some underhanded things going on in getting the Thirteenth Amendment passed. Maybe there were, I don't know.

All of those things together, sort of lean toward an iconoclastic movie, IMO. Maybe I'm way off the mark. One thing I'm pretty sure of...I would have been a Lincoln fan had I lived in his time. I'm not so shallow that the way a person looks or walks or talks is enough to make me write them off, along with all his/her accomplishments.