Extra Credit Questions

[AussieMick]

1. Ned Kelly was wearing a long, fringed sash under his battle coat of armor. The sash had been given to him when he was ten by the parents of a young boy saved from drowning.

( I think Roger will get it very soon now thanks to you, Laurie)

The education ? Its the fact that Lincoln did not always attend school which impacted on the action taken by this person.

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(08-26-2018 07:04 PM)Anita Wrote:  The photo is of Austin Gollaher, Lincoln's friend who saved 7 year old Lincoln from drowning. In 1866 Ned Kelly at age 10 rescued his 7 year old friend Richard Shelton from drowning and Richard's dad gave Ned a green sash out of gratitude for his bravery. Ned wore the sash under his amour until he died.

Wow, what a challenge to come up with this!

Correct, Anita!

And it was when Lincoln and Austin were unable to attend school and so decided to go bird-hunting that they tried to cross a creek.

What a shame, Laurie ... so close ... you can have a shower now though.

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(08-26-2018 07:06 PM)AussieMick Wrote:  1. Ned Kelly was wearing a long, fringed sash under his battle coat of armor. The sash had been given to him when he was ten by the parents of a young boy saved from drowning.

( I think Roger will get it very soon now thanks to you, Laurie)

The education ? Its the fact that Lincoln did not always attend school which impacted on the action taken by this person.

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(08-26-2018 07:04 PM)Anita Wrote:  The photo is of Austin Gollaher, Lincoln's friend who saved 7 year old Lincoln from drowning. In 1866 Ned Kelly at age 10 rescued his 7 year old friend Richard Shelton from drowning and Richard's dad gave Ned a green sash out of gratitude for his bravery. Ned wore the sash under his amour until he died.

Wow, what a challenge to come up with this!

Correct, Anita!

And it was when Lincoln and Austin were unable to attend school and so decided to go bird-hunting that they tried to cross a creek.

What a shame, Laurie ... so close ... you can have a shower now though.

That teaches me once again that I have very little knowledge of the young Lincoln and the years before his political career. Never heard of Austin Gollaher and did not know that Lincoln almost drowned.

Off to the shower, but it will be a lukewarm one in order to cool off my fried brain!

[Anita]

Laurie, I didn't get a prize but I'll send you you green sash to wrap around your hair after showering! You earned the wearing of the green.

[AussieMick]

Roger led the way (maybe because he's awake at 4 am) but it was the ladies that stormed through and persevered despite somewhat less than helpful hints ... Anita, you deserve a prize but all you get is admiration.

[RJNorton]

Wow, what a great question, Michael! Someone even has a web page on Austin Gollaher but didn't get it. Laurie, that one article you found was wrong. It wasn't Shelton who accompanied the Lincolns to Ford's; it was Francis P. Burke.

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(08-27-2018 04:04 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  Wow, what a great question Michael! Someone even has a web page on Austin Gollaher but didn't get it. Laurie, that one article you found was wrong. It wasn't Shelton who accompanied the Lincolns to Ford's; it was Francis P. Burke.

Burke was the coach driver, and supposedly Parker was the mounted escort. However, that article got me to wondering if there was more than one mounted escort.

Do we know whether or not there was a Joseph Shelton on the DC police force assigned to the White House? We have had long conversations on who carried/escorted Lincoln to the Petersen House; does Shelton show up anywhere in the picture? Could he have been one of those who was overlooked by the investigators and press?

That article is in the excellent files of Congressional Cemetery, so someone believed what might otherwise be family hearsay...

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(08-27-2018 08:19 AM)L Verge Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 04:04 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  Wow, what a great question Michael! Someone even has a web page on Austin Gollaher but didn't get it. Laurie, that one article you found was wrong. It wasn't Shelton who accompanied the Lincolns to Ford's; it was Francis P. Burke.

Burke was the coach driver, and supposedly Parker was the mounted escort. However, that article got me to wondering if there was more than one mounted escort.

Do we know whether or not there was a Joseph Shelton on the DC police force assigned to the White House? We have had long conversations on who carried/escorted Lincoln to the Petersen House; does Shelton show up anywhere in the picture? Could he have been one of those who was overlooked by the investigators and press?

That article is in the excellent files of Congressional Cemetery, so someone believed what might otherwise be family hearsay...

Here is the site that I found on Google about Joseph Gales Shelton
https://ghostsofdc.org/2014/02/12/godcer...t-lincoln/

When I tried to get into the Congressional Cemetery link given there, however, I got the frustrating 404 Error statement.

[RJNorton]

(08-27-2018 08:19 AM)L Verge Wrote:  Do we know whether or not there was a Joseph Shelton on the DC police force assigned to the White House? We have had long conversations on who carried/escorted Lincoln to the Petersen House; does Shelton show up anywhere in the picture? Could he have been one of those who was overlooked by the investigators and press?

Laurie, here is what I have on this:

In the fall of 1864 it was decided that a detail of the Washington Metropolitan Police force would be assigned to protect the President. This was at the request of Ward Hill Lamon, United States Marshall for the District of Columbia and a close friend of Lincoln's. Lamon had become increasingly fearful for the President's life. On November 3, 1864, the initial detail was composed of John R. Cronin, Alphonso Dunn (or Donn), Thomas F. Pendel, and Alexander (or Andrew) C. Smith. Changes were occasionally made, although the detail was never more than 5 officers at any one time. Other officers who served in the detail included William S. Lewis, William H. Crook, George W. McElfresh, Thomas T. Hurdle, Joseph Shelton, John F. Parker, and D. Hopkins. Parker was assigned to the detail sometime between late February and early April, 1865.

SOURCE: "The Mystery of Lincoln's Guard" by James O. Hall in the May, 1982, issue of the Surratt Society News, and "Lincoln's Missing Guard" by Frederick Hatch in the April 2006 edition of the Journal of the Lincoln Assassination.

As far as I know, Shelton did not go to Ford's that night nor did he help carry the President to the Petersen House. Parker went ahead before the Lincoln party and met them at the entrance to Ford's; he was not a mounted escort during their trip to the theater (according to Tom Pendel.) Both Crook and Pendel wrote about that night, and neither mentioned Shelton going to Ford's. Pendel wrote:

"Previous to starting for the theatre, I said to John Parker, who had taken my place, to accompany Mr. Lincoln, `John, are you prepared'? I meant by this to ask if he had his revolver and everything all ready to protect the President in case of an assault. Alfonso Dunn, my old companion at the door, spoke up and said, `Oh, Tommy, there is no danger'. I said, `Dunn, you don't know what might happen. Parker, now you start down to the theatre, to be ready for the President when he reaches there. And you see him safe inside'. He started off immediately, and did see Mr. Lincoln all safe inside the theatre, and Mrs. Lincoln, Major Rathbone and Miss Harris also reached the building in safety."

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(08-27-2018 08:45 AM)RJNorton Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 08:19 AM)L Verge Wrote:  Do we know whether or not there was a Joseph Shelton on the DC police force assigned to the White House? We have had long conversations on who carried/escorted Lincoln to the Petersen House; does Shelton show up anywhere in the picture? Could he have been one of those who was overlooked by the investigators and press?

Laurie, here is what I have on this:

In the fall of 1864 it was decided that a detail of the Washington Metropolitan Police force would be assigned to protect the President. This was at the request of Ward Hill Lamon, United States Marshall for the District of Columbia and a close friend of Lincoln's. Lamon had become increasingly fearful for the President's life. On November 3, 1864, the initial detail was composed of John R. Cronin, Alphonso Dunn (or Donn), Thomas F. Pendel, and Alexander (or Andrew) C. Smith. Changes were occasionally made, although the detail was never more than 5 officers at any one time. Other officers who served in the detail included William S. Lewis, William H. Crook, George W. McElfresh, Thomas T. Hurdle, Joseph Shelton, John F. Parker, and D. Hopkins. Parker was assigned to the detail sometime between late February and early April, 1865.

SOURCE: "The Mystery of Lincoln's Guard" by James O. Hall in the May, 1982, issue of the Surratt Society News, and "Lincoln's Missing Guard" by Frederick Hatch in the April 2006 edition of the Journal of the Lincoln Assassination.

As far as I know, Shelton did not go to Ford's that night nor did he help carry the President to the Petersen House. Parker went ahead before the Lincoln party and met them at the entrance to Ford's; he was not a mounted escort during their trip to the theater (according to Tom Pendel.) Both Crook and Pendel wrote about that night, and neither mentioned Shelton going to Ford's. Pendel wrote:

"Previous to starting for the theatre, I said to John Parker, who had taken my place, to accompany Mr. Lincoln, `John, are you prepared'? I meant by this to ask if he had his revolver and everything all ready to protect the President in case of an assault. Alfonso Dunn, my old companion at the door, spoke up and said, `Oh, Tommy, there is no danger'. I said, `Dunn, you don't know what might happen. Parker, now you start down to the theatre, to be ready for the President when he reaches there. And you see him safe inside'. He started off immediately, and did see Mr. Lincoln all safe inside the theatre, and Mrs. Lincoln, Major Rathbone and Miss Harris also reached the building in safety."

That is the standard story that we all know (and your Research site is cited on various other sources online). I just have to think that there is some truth to this somewhere in order for the Evening Star to carry it in Shelton's obit. The Star was a good newspaper until its demise in the 1950s or 60s.

[RJNorton]

Who is this man?

[ReignetteC]

Don't know but he is quite handsome!

[Anita]

Agree he is handsome. Is that a 4 leaf clover on the ring
indicating he's Irish?

[AussieMick]

I dont think he's handsome. Bit shifty if you ask me. Might be a problem with his left eye. (Jealous? me?)

[RJNorton]

Hint #1: Handsome or not, he was in his late teens and early twenties during the years he knew Abraham Lincoln. Anita, I do not know if he was Irish.

[AussieMick]

Henry Cluskey, Robert Lincoln's banjo playing friend ?

[RJNorton]

Nope, not him.